Are Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart Dating? An Update
Come on! So much has happened. Take another look and let us know what you think. Are Rob and Kristen together and dating now? Is Robsten on?
Yes, yes we know. Everyone wants an update on our previous story about whether Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart are dating. We’ve started it a thousand times, had great plans to get it done earlier, and then something else was alleged, then another something…
Frankly, there was so much in the way of allegations, rumors, “incriminating pictures”, tweets, stories from unnamed “sources” and on and on that the entire thing got too insane. How in the world do we deal with it all?
So, we’re going to break it down and try our best to keep it sort of simple. It’s still a lot of information. Are Rob and Kristen together now? Oh boy, here we go…
The Evidence
As we stated in our story back in March, there didn’t really appear to be much in the way of actual “evidence” out there. Just a whole ton of speculation. We’ll be honest. We don’t give much weight at all to stories that quote unnamed sources, stuff from gossip columnists, what is said by the paparazzi, and all of the rest of the hoopla. If you take away all of that, there’s really not much left. That’s a good thing, though, because it allows us to focus. We’re going to look at a couple basic things.
If they are together, are they trying to keep it secret?
This is a very important question as we will get into why later on. We think based on what we have seen, we will have to assume that the answer to this question is “yes”. Rob and Kristen have never once been seen out in public behaving as a romantic couple. No holding hands, no kisses, etc. Therefore, if they are together we will go on the assumption that they do not wish it to be a known fact.
What Have Rob and Kristen Actually Said?
As we stated, there is very little actual, sourced information from people that have nothing to gain from “Robsten” out there, even now. The stars themselves have given virtually no interviews on the subject since the filming of New Moon began. The only direct quote on the subject we have is from Robert’s interview with Entertainment Tonight, which aired on April 24, 2009 (at approximately 1:30):
RP: There was some magazine doing a thing about me and Kristen the other day…
MH: Gossip that links Robert Pattinson with a slew of Hollywood hotties, including his Twilight lady love, Kristen Stewart. The final secret is: they’re platonic friends.
TA: I mean, if you even talk to a girl, she’s your girlfriend, right?
RP: Yeeeah…in reality, yeah. [laugh] It is weird–and especially people who, you know like, aren’t famous…
A longer, fuller quote ran in an ET promo for the interview:
“It becomes a joke. There was some magazine doing a thing about me and Kristen the other day and when you look at it and realize it’s on the front of a magazine. You realize that people are actually reading that even though how ridiculous it is. It’s really bizarre.”
That quote seems pretty clear to us. He is, however, calling the fact that magazines were doing stories on it ridiculous and bizarre, though–so we suppose we can accept that some people would not considered the quote a complete denial. And unfortunately, that’s all there is in the way of direct quotes from Rob or Kristen about the situation.
Looking at Twitter
We hate Twitter…might as well being honest here. Anyone can open any account and say absolutely anything and no one can verify a single thing. So many outright lies and inaccuracies are spread through Twitter. We will look at one particular tweet, though, since it alleges to be an eyewitness report of Rob and Kristen making out in May after a Sam Bradley concert in Vancouver. Per “model/athlete/trainer/coach/blogger” aliciabellelite:
eww, kristen stewart is smoking and making out with rob pattinson right in front of me
The tweet has a couple of pluses in the “valid” department. One, the woman in question who did the tweet does appear to work part-time for the venue of the concert, per her earlier tweets. She would, therefore, have had access to the backstage area of the venue after the concert, when she alleges the two were making out. And secondly, this tweet was done “live”: that is, at approximately the time it was supposed to have occurred. We are extremely suspicious of tweets that occur after the event.
However, not everything looks perfect, though. She posted a pic of Rob and Kristen at the concert. This is only significant because she indicates that she asked earlier to take a photo of Rob and he requested she not do so. She later took a photo later anyway, surreptitiously. She also immediately followed the “making out” tweet with a plug for her website and her personal training career–that’s never something that ups someone’s validity quotient. And then, finally, she appears to have run to People Magazine with the story:
“Robert was leaning against the wall, his arms around Kristen, and they were full-on making out, totally acting like a couple,” says Vancouver nightclub waitress Alicia Bell in the new issue of People.
Now things are starting to look not quite right. We’ll go back to our initial question asking if Rob and Kristen are together, are they trying to be secret about it? If you think the answer to that question is yes (and we do), then the idea that the two would be making out in front of the band, the employees of the venue (who they don’t know), and anyone else who managed to be backstage that night seems very hard to swallow. This, along with everything else, makes the tweet not hold much weight with us.
So, what else is there? Oh yes…
The Morning After at The Charlie Hotel
It’s the smoking gun. The bloody handkerchief. It’s the bagged, tagged evidence to end all evidence, right? Or is it? Let’s take a look at the paparazzi video and photographs of Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart at The Charlie Hotel the morning after the MTV Movie Awards in June.
The X17 Online website claimed the following in the text to their story on the morning after the MTV Awards:
After the awards show Rob and Kristen headed to Cecconi’s for a bite to eat, and the duo left the trendy eatery around 11pm, and they were followed by a police escort to The Charlie Hotel in West Hollywood…The lovebirds booked themselves a private chateau, and we didn’t see them again until noon, when they emerged from their bungalow, looking like they’d both just rolled out of bed!
They ratchet up the romance with this quote from the paparazzo that took the photos:
“Rob was preoccupied with getting all of his stuff in the car and Kristen was hiding behind her sunglasses looking a little tired, but waiting to say goodbye. Right before Rob got into the SUV, the couple stood behind the car door and I’m pretty sure there was a brief kiss!”
Let’s go through it piece by piece.
According to numerous reports Rob and Kristen did indeed appear to go to the restaurant Cecconi’s for dinner after the awards. However, various people have also stated that they were not there alone, they were with Rob’s manager and agent, and possibly others. So the text is misleading on this point.
And we’re not buying the report of a police escort to The Charlie Hotel. At all. First off, why would Rob, Kristen, or their management call for a police escort back to the hotel? The only reason we can imagine would be if they were being surrounded or harassed by the paparazzi or fans. However, not a single photograph of the two at that restaurant, leaving that restaurant, or going or “checking into” The Charlie Hotel has been seen. Not one. Frankly, we think it’s completely made up.
The report makes it sound as if these paparazzi were present during the police escort and watched the two check in. But again, they didn’t take a single photo if that was the case, which we find hard to believe.
So what we are left with are the photos and video of the next day around noon. They do indeed show Rob and Kristen at the black SUV loading things into his car. Kristen Stewart’s mother is present, as is a man with grey hair–some people have identified this man and Kristen Stewart’s grandfather, but we doubt this–[Edit - a commenter has indicated the man in question is most likely the owner of The Charlie Hotel] as well as a young woman with long brown hair and a man who may be a driver or security. The woman with long brown hair has never been identified, to our knowledge.
Fortunately, there is video as well, and the video is far more telling than the photographs. The video appears to be shot through the gaps in some type of fence or behind some obstacle (inside a car? it is not clear).
First off, we note that there appear to be at least two paparazzi at the location: two shooting video, perhaps another shooting photographs. Their conversation during the video provides some interesting insights.
Paparazzi #1 - Dude, she’s in there.
Paparazzi #2 - No the both–he’s still on the side of the car.
Paparazzi #1 - Yeah, but she’s there, too.
Paparazzi #2 - Who?
Paparazzi #1 - Kristen.
Now, this is a little confusing, because according to their written statements the paparazzi didn’t see Rob and Kristen again “until they emerged from their bungalow“. The implication in that statement is that they witnessed the two come out of a (shared) bungalow. However, if that was the case, why did the paparazzi sound excited and surprised and comment that Kristen happened to be there, too? And if the two emerged from the bungalow together, where is that footage? We can only assume there is no such footage.
Kristen’s mother seems very comfortable and mothering toward Rob in the footage. Rob gives her a hug, she is seen smoothing his hair, etc. Later in the footage we see Rob talking to someone in a black or dark grey Mini Cooper. Kristen has a very similar black Mini Cooper, and I think it is fair to assume that this is most probably her car and Rob was speaking to Kristen. He smiles, talks a little and then waves goodbye and gets into the black SUV which was apparently taking him to the airport.
Oh the “kiss” that the paparazzo alleges? There isn’t one. Anywhere. That is a total lie.
That’s pretty much all the footage shows. So, we get to a big question that we don’t think can be answered by the footage that was made available to us by the paparazzi.
Were Rob and Kristen aware that they were being photographed?
This is a huge question. At no point does anyone really stare toward the cameras. The paparazzi in question speak fairly normally (not whispering), so we can assume they were far enough away not to be concerned that they would be overheard or were concealed in some fashion (as evidenced by their video). The entire group appears to be acting rather normally. Rob, in particular, who tends to put his head down as soon as he is aware he is being photographed is just standing around normally. If the group was not aware the paparazzi were around, we would argue that this tape is actual pretty strong evidence that Kristen and Rob are not together. He is getting ready to leave for several month’s worth of filming, and although Mrs. Stewart garners a hug from him before leaving, Kristen gets nothing more than a laugh and a wave.
Of course, it is more than possible that the two would not show any affection in public just in case there were photographers around.
Which begs the question: Why else would Kristen Stewart be at this hotel, unless she was staying with Rob? Well, if it were not for the MTV Movie Awards the previous night, we would agree. However, it is pretty standard practice for even L.A.-based actors to be put up in a hotel prior to big awards shows so that they can have the hair, makeup, and wardrobe teams come there to get the star ready for the red carpet and the cameras. Summit obviously put Rob up at the hotel for the awards, but did they do the same for Kristen? Honestly, we don’t know. Maybe, maybe not.
So this evidence is all very intriguing. Obviously, if Rob and Kristen were sharing a bungalow, there’s no question that the two are (or have been) together. Unfortunately, though, the evidence doesn’t go quite that far.
The Verdict
Every tabloid magazine, gossip columnist and a whole heap of fans think this is a done deal. It is screamed from the headlines every day: “Rob and Kristen are in Love!” Frankly, though, we don’t think it’s nearly so cut and dried. Is there some circumstancial stuff out there? Yes. But if you take away the gossip columnist’s ramblings from “unnamed sources” and silly things like photographs where the two are “looking really intently at each other” and just look at the actual evidence, it’s not nearly so overwhelming. We would not call it a sure bet. At all.
We will say the following. It does appear that Kristen Stewart is no longer living with Michael Angarano. The two have not really been seen together since April. If Michael was off doing a film this would be understandable, but it appears he is in the Los Angeles area. The two may be taking a break or lying low for the cameras, but we’re guessing that the relationship is probably no longer solid. However, that does not necessarily mean that Rob and Kristen are together.
We also believe that there is no great Summit conspiracy to keep the two apart. Studios may discourage stars from dating, but we doubt there are signed contracts to that effect. If Rob and Kristen are together and wanted it to be known, they would do so, in our opinion. The fact that they haven’t gives us pause. Kristen had no problem whatsoever being public with her relationship with Michael. Do Rob and Kristen just want privacy? Or are we not seeing anything because there is nothing to see?
There’s enough smoke here and elsewhere, though, for us to wonder. If you take the various possibilities (a casual thing, they were together, they are together, etc.) we suppose it’s a possibility based on what we’re seeing. Until we hear from the two involved–or until one of the two makes a proveable cross-country visit and is seen with the other–we’ll just move this to unresolved. Frankly, we wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear that they are were together at this point…but neither would we be surprised to hear that they aren’t and never actually were.
Whew. So nearly 2500 words later we get to…UNRESOLVED. Not very satisfying, but that’s the way it is…for now.
You can read our update to this story here.
Tags: dating, girlfriends, kristen stewart, sam bradley, twitter
Ah, time for yet another movie. Rob is spending his early summer in and around the Los Angeles area shooting his next film, Water for Elephants. We can't wait for that one. And Eclipse promotion is calling his name as well. Happy June!As always...
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I don’t think Ted C. from E! is helping this situation in any way either. He’s found something to garner him daily hits, and therefore, he’s running with it. The level of obsession with Rob and Kristen’s relationship (or non-relationship) is terrifying, I can only imagine how THEY must feel. It also doesn’t help when you have so-called fans doctoring plane photos passing them off as “evidence” saying he flew to LA. It makes me truly wonder how many people are confusing them for Edward and Bella- I mean to be so emotionally invested in a couple you don’t know? Very scary. Bottom line: we should all just leave them both alone, and let them do what they want, with whomever they want.
This is a well written article.
I would suggest that the reason its UNRESOLVED is because its hard to prove a negative.
If they are not seeing each other, then there will be no conclusive evidence to prove they are. The evidence that suggests they are not seeing each other, such as other partners and no pictures of them being intimate, all point to no romance. But they are ignored in favour of keeping the rumour alive.
With all due respect to anyone who believes they are an item - I strongly disagree with you. And I also feel that if they ARE dating, then they obviously want it kept private. Isn’t fans constantly speculating on it an invasion of their privacy?
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Generally when you are trying to solve a case you bring all the evidence to the table. ALL of it. Instead you found a few events and left out several of the details and included some wrong onces. Like the ET segment being filmed atleast 1 month prior to it showing. Also forgot to meniton Rob’s birthday (Kristen rode home inbetween Rob’s parents) Forgot that he stayed in VC a whole extra weekend before Cannes when he was doing shooting. Forget Kristen switched hotels (to Rob’s) 1.5 weeks before shooting finished in VC. Forgot the limo pics and how the limo dropped them off at 3am at Rob’s hotel. Oh yeah, forgot to say K or R’s rep could have denied the rumors MONTHS ago but yet they havent.
Actually Alicia didn’t “run to People”. They called her, twice, asking her about it two months after the event when they were getting info together to do a piece about Rob.
so can i also assume that shia, megan, zac, vanessa, and the other big stars in the mtv movie awards were put up in a hotel too? or kris and rob were given special treatment?
Good job its refreshing to see someone looking at things rationally. I am a fan of both of them and like everyone else I think they would be a great couple as they appear to both have similar passions for music and attitudes to their acting and have great onscreen chemistry. Whether or not that means they are a couple or should be a couple is totally their own business and the Paps and obsessed fans are not going to help matters. I just hope they can both ride out the wave of craziness and come out the other side of it still in one peice!
While Im here, Alicia was actually contacted by People mag, who ran a short blurb on her sighting (which several others witnessed as well) There was also a blog written by a crediable VC source (which was quickly taken down bc of the info it contained) that noted how close rk were and how their group of friends Sam Bradley included protected them (she actually encounted them a few hrs after Sam’s show at a bar)Also did you look up the Charlie Hotel? Its not a normal hotel, check out their website then come back and post what you see. NOT some normal hotel w/ 1 bed and bathroom. Shall I continue?
Bree –
We’re happy to comment on those items that are not from “unsourced” gossip columnists.
- The ET segment was filmed earlier, and we listed it’s air date (April)…however, since we do not know the exact date it was filmed, we could not list that date.
- Rob’s birthday party was attended by all sorts of cast members. I’m sorry, the fact that Kristen rode home between Rob’s parents it’s not an indication of a relationship in our books. It is an indication that the tiniest person in the car usually sits in the center. LOL.
- The fact that Rob stayed in Vancouver for an extra weekend before Cannes means nothing in our view. Where was he to go? Rob has no permanent address. I would imagine he was packing up three to four months worth of items in his hotel room.
- The fact that Kristen switched hotels to Rob’s has been reported by paparazzi, true. However, we do not know what day she switched (no one claims to have seen her actually move there) and since the hotel has hundreds of rooms, I’m sorry that in itself is not “evidence” of a relationship. If it was, it would mean Rob was potentially sleeping with everyone staying at the hotel.
- The limo drive dropping Rob and Kristen off at the hotel at 3am? There is a photograph of the two standig in front of the hotel. However, we have only that limo driver’s word for that. And since that person lied to get them into their limo (they were not authorized to be driving them around), we did not feel it was accurate enough to comment on.
- As for K and R’s reps denying? They do not comment on Rob or Kristen’s personal life. Ever. So that is not evidence.
The things you are you are speaking about, to us, falls into the unproveable “smoke” we speak of. We concentrated on those items that seemed more reliable than these items. They were taken into account, which is why we declared the story unresolved. Based on what we just looked at, we could have conceivably stayed with Busted, but there are enough unproveables to take us out of that category.
oh and sure they’re just the best of friends.;D so best that kristen and her mom felt they have to go out of their way to drop by rob’s bungalow just to say goodbye and see him off. suddenly, kris and rob are the newest bff’s. wow, such closeness.
Madison,
I am afraid you are incorrect. Sam’s gig at Richard on Richards was at the beginning of May. Alicia’s comments to People Magazine were being reported online as early as June 11, 2009. So, it was not “two month’s later”.
Bree –
You seem quite convinced. We are not. We are quite aware of The Charlie Hotel. It is a series of bungalows. What does that have to with our story? Whether it is a bungalow or a room, if the two were staying together, they are an item. If they were not, they are not. We find no evidence that puts them in the same bungalow, as we stated.
YOU mentioned a twitter account so now thats reliable? It was common knowledge in VC she switched to Rob’s room. Lainey only made reference to it bc her paps got her leaving Rob’s hotel the day after Rob left. Could give me a good reason why Kristen chose to ride in the limo w/ Rob back to his hotel rather than ride with Ash G and Rach to their hotel? If you followed Lainey’s twitter she made is damn obvious the exact timing in which Kristen switched. All Im asking is that you include everything rather than selecting infor. And also Kristen was clearly hiding behind the black SUV doors in the video, watch it again.
I enjoy your input on this! But I also wanted to address some other things! You also didn’t mention the fact that after the supposed visit of Rob to LA (Weekend of June 21st with plane pic evidence), he started wearing her Karl Lagerfeld sunglasses. I can understand when people say they have the same Ray-Bans, but I doubt they’d have this pair, especially since Kristen has stopped wearing hers all of a sudden since his LA visit, and suddenly Rob appears with the same exact ones the following week. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9190/samez.jpg (Kristen 6/5, Rob 6/26).
Convinced? I can look at evidence and say “wheres theres smoke theres fire”. You clearly picked 3 pieces of “evidence” that you could tear to pieces and negate. If your waiting for a People mag or sextape doubt your gonna get it from two very private people. Also where did Kristen’s bff go? Seems Nikki Reed got the boot when Michael did.
… Ok for starters… it makes amazing Headlines “Twilight Stars in LOVE” “Edward and Bella’s love in Real life” Its great promo for the movies right… it gives young girls and gullible people something to believe in. when people are in love they are in LOVE and want to shout it from the rooftops, Right? In my theory there is no substantial proof for any relationship other than on screen. The for leave the poor people ALONE honestly who gives a shit? so what they just appen to be famous but they deserve privacy and space like ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING. If they are together and wanted people to know, you would. Enjoy the stories you are told by people who get paid to make shit up.
dont get me wrong I enjoyed your input - I was just saying that to all the people so desperately wanting to know. Its really none of your business and what is so exciting about their relationships ? So many relationships start and end every day - its life - they are young- just leave them be.
People can argue both sides of the story quite convincingly but in truth there just is not enough evidence to prove or disprove either side. Maybe in month or so that may change but regardless they are human beings and really are not being treated respectfully. Much as I love to follow what is going on I feel very sad for them because what kind of life is it if you have to hide out all the time?
Bree -
We’re not going to get into an argument with you on these points. As we stated it is impossible or us to do an article with every little bit of evidence that has come up since March. Impossible! It would be a ten-page article. No one would read it. Our article is long enough as it is. We selected the most proveable, pro-Robsten items out there. As we have stated, the less proveable items are taken into account as the “smoke” in our final verdict. I’m sorry, we do not see enough to say Robsten are definitely on.
As for “why didn’t so-and-so ride with so-and-so and on and on? Seriously? We are not mind readers. What do you want us to say on these points. We haven’t the foggiest idea. It’s not even worth mentioning, in our view.
We also state Kristen was present in the video. We posted the video so everyone can see for themselves. Did you read the article? We state, however, that there is no “kiss” between the two as alleged by the paparazzo.
Again, based on the solid evidence we see, we cannot say the two are definitely together. Hence, our unresolved verdict.
Im really frustrated hearing these news about them beeing together when they are actually not. Come on! WE (all robsten fans) WANT THE TRUTH! Together or not?
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“Administrator” I find it more than telling you are only answering Bree. Your journalistic “integrity” & sleuthing skills are as poor as your grammar. Your BIAS is showing….hmmm, did you mean for that to happen? It is understandable you might want to include only *provable* sources but you hardly did even that. A person has to be a complete idiot to discount the mountain of evidence that COLLECTIVELY supports the fact that those two are together. You neglected to include some very important information. But I don’t want to do your job for you. I’ll just let you guess what it might be.
i think they have amazing chemestry or whatever. why do we have to be so obsessed over these? IF
“administrator”,
good luck keeping everyone happy if that your job…some people just dont get the fact that the earth is not going to explode whether you are right or wrong. Either way it is better to remain on the fence as stating catagorically one way or the other doesnt change the fact that robsten hasnt come out and obviouslywill only do so if and when they choose.
they’re dating, sooner or later it will come out
IF they’re not, they would be much more consistent about it
KSTEW said she was not upset by people talking about her relationship with rob, and that she understood why all of us think they can actually be dating.
they just happen to be bond by the same things, maybe attracted to each other as we can see by their body language, but that’s it.
isn’t that what all producers look for in a movie?
and summit wouldn’t have put the BOTH of them in the same hotel if they were previously trying to disguise any rumours.
and kristen has an appartment in LA which is confusing
she hasn’t been seen with michael since april, true, but last year while shooting twilight it was similar
it’s obvious they are NOT trying to hide their RELATIONSHIP, because there is no such thing
why would they bother, if they can be on screen lovers?
it’s so much better to just kiss a person when u have to, that way u have eveything unless of course u are a lovebird
Elise,
Again, your description of a “mountain of evidence” in our view is nothing but stories from paparazzi and gossip columnists. I answered Bree, because I was well aware of the questions she was asking, as they were all things we considered when doing this article. The only thing she commented on that we almost included in our article was the limo drop off. In the end, though, we felt it was far less reliable than the evidence we did show, and in an effort to keep our article below the 3000 word mark, we dropped it and just used the information in forming in our final verdict.
I also answered several other people (regarding AliciaBelle’s People article … which was approximately five weeks after the show, not two months as the commenter indicated), etc.
I did not comment on the sunglasses question, because I do not have an answer on it. It would, perhaps, be a good article to do. To my knowledge though, sharing a pair of sunglasses is not a traditional indication of love.
We find it interesting that the many people feel we were biased in what we selected to include. We feel we selected the items that contained the most solid evidence possible. If we had done an article just on the other items people are talking about here, we would still be in the “Busted” category. I’m sorry who drove with who, Rob and Kristen’s feet touching in a cab, etc., etc. are not worth mentioning. As we stated, we would not be surprised in the least if they were together, but nor do we feel the “evidence” is as such now to state that they definitely are.
As for my grammar? Well, I don’t think it’s poor, but you are free to sling insults. I think it says far more about you than it does me, but that is just fine. This is a fan-run site, not the New York Times.
love your article btw
i think it’s objective and honest
we dont want any more EDWARD AND BELLA headlines
which end up being just the same old story as usual.
“As we stated it is impossible or us to do an article with every little bit of evidence that has come up since March. Impossible!”
Indeed. It’s so much easier to pluck out the details that support your argument after you’ve formed your opinion. Didn’t you learn anything about the scientific method in high school?
Ok…I’ll weigh in with a few facts I was just given today. A friend of mine was taking a break during work, and was reading a magazine with a story about Rob. A woman comes in the office, sees the article and asks her if she is a fan of Rob’s. She then goes on to say she is Rob’s aunt on his mother’s side. My friend did not believe her so she produced family pictures of her with Rob and Rob’s mother, her sister…and father. My friend gave me the aunt’s name and its been mentioned in an interview with her about Rob not long ago. Some of you probably read it. The aunt goes on to show my friend a text message to her from Rob saying that he was NOT dating Kristen. So unless you presume that Rob would lie to his aunt, or that my friend would lie to me…..then it means that he is not dating her. I tend to believe him, as he and Kristen both have said many times that Rob can’t tell lies.
It seems some of your respondants claim to have “compelling” evidence but so far nobody has provided anything that absolutely proves without question that they are a couple. I’d like to beleive it as much as anyone but still wont say its resolved untill there is 100% confirmation. Where is that compelling evidence?????
The so called Rob Aunt stuff was reported a while ago and has come up again recently but if I were his aunt I doubt very much if I would be telling complete strangers about his personal life.
Ok Melody… The aunt’s name is Diana Nutley. It’s fairly common knowledge as she has sold every bit of info she can on Rob for months now. Just for argument’s sake, even if all of the other stuff you said is true, do you really think Rob is going to be texting his relationship details to the aunt who is selling him out to the tabloids every week? Use some common sense.
All I can say is I think they are together, and it doesn’t bother me. If it turns out they are not so what. What gets me is why these so called Rob fans hate the idea of him with Kristen if that is what he wants. You are either a fan of Robs or not. Fantasies about being with him, dream on. I am a fan of Robs as long as he is happy that is fine with me. They are actors and they met at work, many people meet at work what’s the big deal. So many actors meet that way,why is it that other actors can be together and nobody goes crazy. Why all this hate toward Rob and Kristen? Rob if you are with Kristen I am happy for you. A true fan just wants you to be happy whoever you are with.
And so the overly obsessed shippers come out. They won’t accept any reasonable answer other than THEY ARE DEFINITELY TOGETHER. I thought you were being fair with saying it was “Unresolved”. Another reason I think Rob and Kristen would never dare come out, even if they were together- the scary Shippers!
Oh I was just saying, him wearing her Karl Lagerfeld sunglasses just means that he did visit her in LA a few weeks ago which coincides with the plane pic evidence we saw (please don’t say it’s photoshopped, too much circumstantial evidence its real..girl mentioning buzz aldrin on the same red eye flight and his tweets confirming, a few rpattz airport sitings, virgin airline employees, his black backpack in the photo w/ silver straps etc) but I won’t go into full details. That is a big and recent piece of news you did not comment on. But thanks again for writing the article, gives some insight to others who may not have been up to date.
Hey! Love your blog! And your grammar is just fine. Always check with you to get the latest!
I think its a ditto to you to Renee. I think we shippers feel exactly the same about people like you that cant even wrap around the idea that they might be together. I think we shippers and non-shippers have to agree to disagree.
I am too going with unresolved. This is a very well written and thought out article by the way.
And whoever said that his Aunt wouldn’t know about his relationship status… um, sorry to disappoint you, but speaking from experience of having estranged family members, word gets around. If this was a super serious relationship, she’d find out, whether or not Rob told her himself. There are other family members. It happens in my family all the time. Stuff gets around the family sorry to say.
Not saying I don’t think they are together. Like I said, I am also unresolved. If they are dating, sooner or later, someone WILL get the “money” shot instead of just saying hearsay and “sources” who are probably not “sources” anyway.
Personally I don’t know what to think. I think it was very fair for you to say “UNRESOLVED” rather than “BUSTED” because there isn’t hard proof that they are definitely together. No one other than the two of them and their closest friends and family know the truth about what goes on. I think it is fair to say there’s just not enough information to go by. I find it hard to believe that out of ALL of the photos taken at Sam’s concert that there isn’t ONE photo of the two of them kissing. I also find it hard to believe that there aren’t ANY pics of them holding hands and what not. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t together, but if all of these people saw it, where is the proof?? That is just my opinion. Personally I don’t like Kristen, but if she makes Rob happy then so be it. He knows a different side of her than what she portrays to the media, so if they are together and happy good for them, but in my humble opinion, I think they are just the very best of friends. I have spend MANY MANY MANY nights with my male best friends and it has never gone beyond friendship. People can be friends with the opposite sex without it meaning that they are together. I just can’t see Rob being the person that breaks up a 4 year relationship and being okay with that. But again, I don’t know what goes on in their life…but I am going to be the minority and I guess be naive about it and say I think they are just really good friends. And if it comes out that they are in fact together then good for them, I hope they are happy!!!
Candy, the cast gets free swag from sunglasses, clothing, shoes, etc. Those KL sunglasses? Could be free swag from one of their promoters. Much like how Raybans sponsors them.
Not saying they aren’t together, but you have to look at both sides.
And also, I, myself, don’t trust twitter and definitely NOT Ted’s board. Half the people believe that picture is fake and half believe it’s real. So much crap goes around these days.
The plane pic was definitely photoshopped. It’s a moot point honestly, as it was a very much doctored photo. Robsten can still “exist”- but the photo is a fake.
And to Treylin: for most of us shippers..probably us over 17-18 years old who have been in a realtionship this has absolutely nothing to do with Edward and Bella. Please dont catagorize us.
Wow…I have read this article,(Which I think you did a really good job BTW) and all the comments. So here is my opinion along with everyone elses. I DO NOT THINK THEY ARE TOGETHER!!!! Why, if you do break down all the rumors, paps, gossip mags and columns we really don’t have anything. What I don’t understand is why can’t they be good friends? I have had guy friends in high school, that’s all I hung out with; that doesn’t mean I dated them or slept with them. I didn’t. WE WERE JUST FRIENDS. I work with a guy that was very good looking, hell I had thoughts about just having hot sex with him, but he was married and I’m married. Why would I throw away 14 years of marriage for one night of lust. Nope can do. Just because they have on screen chemistry and have a bond does not mean they are together. As for her and Michael, maybe they are still together, maybe not. Maybe they are laying low trying to work through this crap going on. She has said in the past his is her BFF and what they have is very special. Why would she throw away 4 years of a relationship, because she might or might not have a crush over Rob. Just because you have a crush or attracted to someone does not mean the relationship would work.
Ok, next thing- the limo ride, so what. If they are together, don’t you think she would sit next to him than across from him? If I was dating him, I would sit next to him, even if they were keeping things quite..I don’t care if they get together, sure I don’t want him with anyone, but it’s not like I’m going to be with him. I want him to be happy. He has said over and over that he is single and him and Kristen are just friends. Even in Cannes he said he is single and not settled to be with anyone right now. They are the hot couple to gossip about now, they are Edward and Bella so naturally people want them together. Some people can differeinate the difference that they have real lives, they are real people.
My question is where is Nikki? I think that maybe she and Kristen had a fall out in Vancouver over what I don’t know. Maybe Nikki had feelings for Rob, and Rob didn’t return those feelings only wanting to remain friends. Maybe Nikki’s feelings were hurt, rejection can be a bitch. Something I think happened, what I don’t know and we probably won’t ever know. She could be hanging with her BFF, Sage and her family. Who knows.
THere are a lot of specualtions, but if they are who cares. Things did not get hot and heavy until the MTV movie awards and the night after. I though what they did was cute for their award. That doesn’t mean they are together. Yes, they look intently at each other sometimes in photos, but my BFF is a girl (Christina) and I adore her, so I’m sure I look at her with affection. They probably are attracted to each other and are good friends, doesn’t mean they are a couple. If they are, it will come out soon or later or maybe not. No big deal.
Whew…I’m done.
You do a fairly scientific analysis of all the evidence and you are correct. There is no definite proof that they are together and no direct proof that they are not. I do think they are since the time of the Charlie incident. As I listened to the x17 video, I kept hearing something suspicious, so I dug out my high quality headphones. As Robert begins walking away from the mini he says “All right, I love you.” Others reported the same thing. Everyone else will have to decide that for themselves. After the almost MTV kiss, it sounds like Kristen says “Sweetie come on.” Everyone will also have to decide for themselves on this one. I’m convinced by these and the rest of the “smoke” you mention. To me, it’s fire. I do have one other point. MTV reported that Kristen left the MTV awards about 20 minutes after Robert not in her own limo but ran down the street to a parking garage where we know she later ate dinner with Robert and possibly others. Big question is, why would she go to all that trouble to disappear if she wasn’t trying to cover something up? She could have just used her own limo and met them there or shared a ride with Robert? While everything is truly just speculation, I think the smoke is pretty thick and telling.
I just new all the hardcore R/K shippers would go batshit crazy over…”unresolved” I mean, that is just completely unacceptable to the pro-Robstens. *rolls eyes*
Oh, do we know absolutely sure, 100% sure, he came to LA to see Kristen. NO WE DO NOT, no proof. He could have come to see his agent or manager on business…No proof. How do we know he has her sunglasses. We don’t. I think I have seen pics with her glasses on top of her head just last week. I don’t think he would take her damn glasses. Get for real. His old ones probably broke. They were crooked sometimes and photos and filthy. Poor thing, Ray Ban probably gave them to him. He gets free stuff all the time. Yeah, he probably did goto LA, to see Kristen Who knows…Can’t say he did. No proof.
To Chinosgirl- I actually am pro-Robsten, meaning I DO think they could be together. None of the so called evidence the Extreme Shippers have produced or provided prove it to me- with me, it’s just a hunch they are dating. However, I don’t ship real people because that’s creepy, and I don’t obsess over them because I don’t know them, so why would I care so much if they are dating? It affects me in no way. But the thing that bothers me about the Extreme Shippers is clearly, if they are in fact together (and again, I’m thinking YES), they want to keep it private. So isn’t it disrespectful to them to tweet their every move, if they are together, etc.? The fact that people are so incredibly obsessed to prove the are together baffles me. Why? How does it benefit anyone? I just don’t get it. The only explanation is that people are confusing them for Edward and Bella? I mean seriously, please explain it to me, why are people so emotionally invested in Robsten. I sincerely want to know.
I’m so going to go there about the Charlie hotel. Too many questions. That’s what I said before in my long posts. We don’t know for sure he said those things. I have studied that video umpteen times and the MTV footage. Didn’t hear anything like that and I never read that he did either. There is no proof of them entering the hotel or leaving the hotel, only in the drive. And if 2 paps were they videoing it, it is very possible and most likley the videos were cut. Kristen is in the car. That’s her car. Where is the footage from walking and getting into her car. They cut it. The footage was defintely edited to show like they are together. I don’t care if they are, but people needs to realize that yes, they could just be good friends. For some reason people can’t grasp that conclusion.
Thanks for this article. This is more accurate to see “Unresolved” than “Busted”.
I guess we will have new developments in august when they will film eclipse…
You are missing one major pro-Robsten item:
pictures taken at Sam Bradley’s concert!
http://www.popsugar.com/3110516
All I keep thinking is that why are the usual things we use as proof ignored in Rob and Kristen’s case? No pics of them being intimate and plenty of pics of them apart. Only sketchy unprovable reports of ’sightings’ and plane trips. Rob can barely pass wind without it making the news but we are supposed to believe that he can REPEATEDLY get through two of the world’s most papped airports without being seen? Although pics proving a relationship would sell for mega bucks?
Isn’t it awfully convenient that none of this ‘proof’ of a relationship or secret plane trips is caught on camera or video? Hey, its almost like there is no relationship and he didnt go anywhere!
If they were dating but trying to hide it, there is no way they would play on the chemistry between then and pretend they were about to kiss at the movie awards. Kristen would not have been caught pulling a face like ‘omg what did he just say’ when Rob said about something coming out of his pants. Rob would not have laughed when she dropped her award. If he was dating someone as nervous and awkward as Kristen, don’t you think he would have given her a reassuring smile of encouragement at that moment rather than laugh along with everyone else?
The ‘evidence’ is only a mountain if you believe what you are hearing. Thats why there are things called jurys. Because everyone views things differently and to get a balanced verdict, you need the opinions of a number of people, not just those who agree with you.