Are Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart Dating? An Update
Come on! So much has happened. Take another look and let us know what you think. Are Rob and Kristen together and dating now? Is Robsten on?
Yes, yes we know. Everyone wants an update on our previous story about whether Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart are dating. We’ve started it a thousand times, had great plans to get it done earlier, and then something else was alleged, then another something…
Frankly, there was so much in the way of allegations, rumors, “incriminating pictures”, tweets, stories from unnamed “sources” and on and on that the entire thing got too insane. How in the world do we deal with it all?
So, we’re going to break it down and try our best to keep it sort of simple. It’s still a lot of information. Are Rob and Kristen together now? Oh boy, here we go…
The Evidence
As we stated in our story back in March, there didn’t really appear to be much in the way of actual “evidence” out there. Just a whole ton of speculation. We’ll be honest. We don’t give much weight at all to stories that quote unnamed sources, stuff from gossip columnists, what is said by the paparazzi, and all of the rest of the hoopla. If you take away all of that, there’s really not much left. That’s a good thing, though, because it allows us to focus. We’re going to look at a couple basic things.
If they are together, are they trying to keep it secret?
This is a very important question as we will get into why later on. We think based on what we have seen, we will have to assume that the answer to this question is “yes”. Rob and Kristen have never once been seen out in public behaving as a romantic couple. No holding hands, no kisses, etc. Therefore, if they are together we will go on the assumption that they do not wish it to be a known fact.
What Have Rob and Kristen Actually Said?
As we stated, there is very little actual, sourced information from people that have nothing to gain from “Robsten” out there, even now. The stars themselves have given virtually no interviews on the subject since the filming of New Moon began. The only direct quote on the subject we have is from Robert’s interview with Entertainment Tonight, which aired on April 24, 2009 (at approximately 1:30):
RP: There was some magazine doing a thing about me and Kristen the other day…
MH: Gossip that links Robert Pattinson with a slew of Hollywood hotties, including his Twilight lady love, Kristen Stewart. The final secret is: they’re platonic friends.
TA: I mean, if you even talk to a girl, she’s your girlfriend, right?
RP: Yeeeah…in reality, yeah. [laugh] It is weird–and especially people who, you know like, aren’t famous…
A longer, fuller quote ran in an ET promo for the interview:
“It becomes a joke. There was some magazine doing a thing about me and Kristen the other day and when you look at it and realize it’s on the front of a magazine. You realize that people are actually reading that even though how ridiculous it is. It’s really bizarre.”
That quote seems pretty clear to us. He is, however, calling the fact that magazines were doing stories on it ridiculous and bizarre, though–so we suppose we can accept that some people would not considered the quote a complete denial. And unfortunately, that’s all there is in the way of direct quotes from Rob or Kristen about the situation.
Looking at Twitter
We hate Twitter…might as well being honest here. Anyone can open any account and say absolutely anything and no one can verify a single thing. So many outright lies and inaccuracies are spread through Twitter. We will look at one particular tweet, though, since it alleges to be an eyewitness report of Rob and Kristen making out in May after a Sam Bradley concert in Vancouver. Per “model/athlete/trainer/coach/blogger” aliciabellelite:
eww, kristen stewart is smoking and making out with rob pattinson right in front of me
The tweet has a couple of pluses in the “valid” department. One, the woman in question who did the tweet does appear to work part-time for the venue of the concert, per her earlier tweets. She would, therefore, have had access to the backstage area of the venue after the concert, when she alleges the two were making out. And secondly, this tweet was done “live”: that is, at approximately the time it was supposed to have occurred. We are extremely suspicious of tweets that occur after the event.
However, not everything looks perfect, though. She posted a pic of Rob and Kristen at the concert. This is only significant because she indicates that she asked earlier to take a photo of Rob and he requested she not do so. She later took a photo later anyway, surreptitiously. She also immediately followed the “making out” tweet with a plug for her website and her personal training career–that’s never something that ups someone’s validity quotient. And then, finally, she appears to have run to People Magazine with the story:
“Robert was leaning against the wall, his arms around Kristen, and they were full-on making out, totally acting like a couple,” says Vancouver nightclub waitress Alicia Bell in the new issue of People.
Now things are starting to look not quite right. We’ll go back to our initial question asking if Rob and Kristen are together, are they trying to be secret about it? If you think the answer to that question is yes (and we do), then the idea that the two would be making out in front of the band, the employees of the venue (who they don’t know), and anyone else who managed to be backstage that night seems very hard to swallow. This, along with everything else, makes the tweet not hold much weight with us.
So, what else is there? Oh yes…
The Morning After at The Charlie Hotel
It’s the smoking gun. The bloody handkerchief. It’s the bagged, tagged evidence to end all evidence, right? Or is it? Let’s take a look at the paparazzi video and photographs of Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart at The Charlie Hotel the morning after the MTV Movie Awards in June.
The X17 Online website claimed the following in the text to their story on the morning after the MTV Awards:
After the awards show Rob and Kristen headed to Cecconi’s for a bite to eat, and the duo left the trendy eatery around 11pm, and they were followed by a police escort to The Charlie Hotel in West Hollywood…The lovebirds booked themselves a private chateau, and we didn’t see them again until noon, when they emerged from their bungalow, looking like they’d both just rolled out of bed!
They ratchet up the romance with this quote from the paparazzo that took the photos:
“Rob was preoccupied with getting all of his stuff in the car and Kristen was hiding behind her sunglasses looking a little tired, but waiting to say goodbye. Right before Rob got into the SUV, the couple stood behind the car door and I’m pretty sure there was a brief kiss!”
Let’s go through it piece by piece.
According to numerous reports Rob and Kristen did indeed appear to go to the restaurant Cecconi’s for dinner after the awards. However, various people have also stated that they were not there alone, they were with Rob’s manager and agent, and possibly others. So the text is misleading on this point.
And we’re not buying the report of a police escort to The Charlie Hotel. At all. First off, why would Rob, Kristen, or their management call for a police escort back to the hotel? The only reason we can imagine would be if they were being surrounded or harassed by the paparazzi or fans. However, not a single photograph of the two at that restaurant, leaving that restaurant, or going or “checking into” The Charlie Hotel has been seen. Not one. Frankly, we think it’s completely made up.
The report makes it sound as if these paparazzi were present during the police escort and watched the two check in. But again, they didn’t take a single photo if that was the case, which we find hard to believe.
So what we are left with are the photos and video of the next day around noon. They do indeed show Rob and Kristen at the black SUV loading things into his car. Kristen Stewart’s mother is present, as is a man with grey hair–some people have identified this man and Kristen Stewart’s grandfather, but we doubt this–[Edit - a commenter has indicated the man in question is most likely the owner of The Charlie Hotel] as well as a young woman with long brown hair and a man who may be a driver or security. The woman with long brown hair has never been identified, to our knowledge.
Fortunately, there is video as well, and the video is far more telling than the photographs. The video appears to be shot through the gaps in some type of fence or behind some obstacle (inside a car? it is not clear).
First off, we note that there appear to be at least two paparazzi at the location: two shooting video, perhaps another shooting photographs. Their conversation during the video provides some interesting insights.
Paparazzi #1 - Dude, she’s in there.
Paparazzi #2 - No the both–he’s still on the side of the car.
Paparazzi #1 - Yeah, but she’s there, too.
Paparazzi #2 - Who?
Paparazzi #1 - Kristen.
Now, this is a little confusing, because according to their written statements the paparazzi didn’t see Rob and Kristen again “until they emerged from their bungalow“. The implication in that statement is that they witnessed the two come out of a (shared) bungalow. However, if that was the case, why did the paparazzi sound excited and surprised and comment that Kristen happened to be there, too? And if the two emerged from the bungalow together, where is that footage? We can only assume there is no such footage.
Kristen’s mother seems very comfortable and mothering toward Rob in the footage. Rob gives her a hug, she is seen smoothing his hair, etc. Later in the footage we see Rob talking to someone in a black or dark grey Mini Cooper. Kristen has a very similar black Mini Cooper, and I think it is fair to assume that this is most probably her car and Rob was speaking to Kristen. He smiles, talks a little and then waves goodbye and gets into the black SUV which was apparently taking him to the airport.
Oh the “kiss” that the paparazzo alleges? There isn’t one. Anywhere. That is a total lie.
That’s pretty much all the footage shows. So, we get to a big question that we don’t think can be answered by the footage that was made available to us by the paparazzi.
Were Rob and Kristen aware that they were being photographed?
This is a huge question. At no point does anyone really stare toward the cameras. The paparazzi in question speak fairly normally (not whispering), so we can assume they were far enough away not to be concerned that they would be overheard or were concealed in some fashion (as evidenced by their video). The entire group appears to be acting rather normally. Rob, in particular, who tends to put his head down as soon as he is aware he is being photographed is just standing around normally. If the group was not aware the paparazzi were around, we would argue that this tape is actual pretty strong evidence that Kristen and Rob are not together. He is getting ready to leave for several month’s worth of filming, and although Mrs. Stewart garners a hug from him before leaving, Kristen gets nothing more than a laugh and a wave.
Of course, it is more than possible that the two would not show any affection in public just in case there were photographers around.
Which begs the question: Why else would Kristen Stewart be at this hotel, unless she was staying with Rob? Well, if it were not for the MTV Movie Awards the previous night, we would agree. However, it is pretty standard practice for even L.A.-based actors to be put up in a hotel prior to big awards shows so that they can have the hair, makeup, and wardrobe teams come there to get the star ready for the red carpet and the cameras. Summit obviously put Rob up at the hotel for the awards, but did they do the same for Kristen? Honestly, we don’t know. Maybe, maybe not.
So this evidence is all very intriguing. Obviously, if Rob and Kristen were sharing a bungalow, there’s no question that the two are (or have been) together. Unfortunately, though, the evidence doesn’t go quite that far.
The Verdict
Every tabloid magazine, gossip columnist and a whole heap of fans think this is a done deal. It is screamed from the headlines every day: “Rob and Kristen are in Love!” Frankly, though, we don’t think it’s nearly so cut and dried. Is there some circumstancial stuff out there? Yes. But if you take away the gossip columnist’s ramblings from “unnamed sources” and silly things like photographs where the two are “looking really intently at each other” and just look at the actual evidence, it’s not nearly so overwhelming. We would not call it a sure bet. At all.
We will say the following. It does appear that Kristen Stewart is no longer living with Michael Angarano. The two have not really been seen together since April. If Michael was off doing a film this would be understandable, but it appears he is in the Los Angeles area. The two may be taking a break or lying low for the cameras, but we’re guessing that the relationship is probably no longer solid. However, that does not necessarily mean that Rob and Kristen are together.
We also believe that there is no great Summit conspiracy to keep the two apart. Studios may discourage stars from dating, but we doubt there are signed contracts to that effect. If Rob and Kristen are together and wanted it to be known, they would do so, in our opinion. The fact that they haven’t gives us pause. Kristen had no problem whatsoever being public with her relationship with Michael. Do Rob and Kristen just want privacy? Or are we not seeing anything because there is nothing to see?
There’s enough smoke here and elsewhere, though, for us to wonder. If you take the various possibilities (a casual thing, they were together, they are together, etc.) we suppose it’s a possibility based on what we’re seeing. Until we hear from the two involved–or until one of the two makes a proveable cross-country visit and is seen with the other–we’ll just move this to unresolved. Frankly, we wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear that they are were together at this point…but neither would we be surprised to hear that they aren’t and never actually were.
Whew. So nearly 2500 words later we get to…UNRESOLVED. Not very satisfying, but that’s the way it is…for now.
You can read our update to this story here.
Tags: dating, girlfriends, kristen stewart, sam bradley, twitter
Ah, time for yet another movie. Rob is spending his early summer in and around the Los Angeles area shooting his next film, Water for Elephants. We can't wait for that one. And Eclipse promotion is calling his name as well. Happy June!As always...
Again Diana, you are presuming without proof that she sold Rob out. I have seen no evidence of this, have you? Just because she said she hoped they weren’t together because of the pressure and scrutiny they would be under? I can see why she might say that. Just look at this discussion. When something is none of my business…such as Rob’s love life, I tend to believe them when they deny it. After all, its no skin off my back one way or another…and anyone that thinks otherwise, is fooling themselves. Why don’t you leave the poor guy alone and let him pursue his chosen profession in peace. Try walking in his shoes for a while…and see how you would like everyone “presuming” gossip about you. If it doesn’t affect your life, what’s the point?
I worked for many years in a company of all males. I was the only female. I had very good male friends both married and single…because of the job we had in common. I attended conferences with them, I planned meetings with them, I worked shows with them, I had meals with them, I shared off hours with them on the road. Thank God I didn’t have people breathing down my neck accusing me of God knows what because I was seen riding in a cab with them…or eating dinner with them.
Kristen and Rob have a bond through their work on Twilight…they have said that. Why can’t you just take them at their word and leave it alone? That’s obviously what they want. And whether they are or aren’t together really isn’t anyone’s business but their own. A dose of maturity is called for here I think.
Very good detective work, but there are a lot of holes in your assessment and some key and crucial pieces that were left out.
All signs point to a Rob/Kristen relationship and there is overwhelming proof, that of which you have not posted here, but I do appreciate your take on the situation.
Many celeberites have denied their relationships for reasons that are only known to them. Brangelina denied any involvement for a very long time. Brad stated that his breakup with Jen was not a result of any affair with Jolie, but that was a lie. They fell in love on the set of Mr/Mrs Smith and were spotted on numerous occassions together, but still denied that they were involved. They made it seem like it was crazy. I believe they were trying to spare Jen any further embarrassment (as if that would help) and probably do damage control for their careers. They did not want to seem insensitive, but the damage was already done.
I suspect if R/K have been together and want it secret, it is first because Kris is trying to be sensitive to MA and not flaunt this needlessly. Second, I think Summit is probably concerned that if they are together and should break up, it could be potentially devasting to their franshise (not that their personal lives are their business) but it is not unusual for a studio to protect their investment at any cost. All I can say, is where there is smoke, there is fire and hopefully soon, all will be revealed one way or the other.
they really are together dont you get it?
try to see this one then.
http://twitpic.com/9dn6j
LOL RobSten,
Er, we have seen that pic. In fact: http://pattinsonanonymous.com/photo-of-rob-and-kristen-hugging-real-or-manip/
You people are all NUTS.
RobSten, unfortunately that picture is a fake.
Fan I agree with your comments about Kristen leaving after MTV awards, seen going to a parking garage. I did not truly believe the siting at first. They said she was seen crossing City Walk at Universal, heading towards a garage. About a month ago, someone did produce a video of Kristen CLEARLY walking (or running) with some of her people in City Walk. I know some information we get is false, but many times the information we get is accurate.
Administrators, I really do appriciate that you are trying to be objective, but I have one question. I do NOT understand why people are so quick to NOT believe (when there is so much evidence to the contrary? I also find it crazy when Rob fans specifically deny a R/K relationship but truly believe that he is romancing Emilie De Ravin after filming with her only 10 days. It seems unbleivable to me that there is such a double standard.
Thanks again for your comments.
LOL Aunt Nutty….short and to the point. That photoshopped pic says it all. This has gotten way out of hand. It’s sick. When they say they are together…then they are.
I completely agree with you MsChopsy! There is just too much speculation and not enough proof. I am sure there were people at that Sam Bradley concert who wouldn’t have cared about snapping a few photos and sellin them because they are “MONEY” shots. If they were kissing and all over each other there should be some pics. I have seen TONS of pics with him and his ex Nina and I never saw him all over her or kissing her, I did see him holding her hand and his arm around her or her head on his shoulder. I don’t think Rob is the PDA type of guy!
Also, I do know that a lot of companies give cast members free stuff all of the time. The sunglasses could be just that. It is free publicity. I mean look at how many people went out and bought Sarah Palin’s glasses! I am sure there are tens of thousands of teenage girls trying to get glasses that look just like Rob’s and Kristen’s. That’s money in their pockets (Rayban/KL - not R/K).
Another thing is the whole Michael/Kristen situation. I don’t see Rob as the type to break up a 4 year relationship. He has said before that if he had a girlfriend he wouldn’t hide it, he never signed a contract to be secretive and he didn’t work for Disney, so he wouldn’t hide having a girlfriend from the fans. Kristen has also been very public about her relationship with Michael. I am sure that they don’t want their every move scrutinized if they are together, but I can’t see them hiding it. I mean, eventually it will come out, right? Kristen has said several times that Michael is her best friend before he is her boyfriend, that shows that she has a very close intense relationship with him and that she respects and values him…I don’t see her dumping him for Rob. She said that she was in love with him since she was 13 but couldn’t have him because of the age difference and now she can, that is a long time to be friends and love someone to throw it all away for someone else. Rob has also said that he doesn’t believe in cheating and he was shocked when Taylor said that he dated several girls on the Tyra show. I don’t think that is either Rob’s or Kristen’s style. I think they have been through a lot together and just have a really great friendship. Almost like a brother/sister type relationship.
Again, I don’t know if they are or aren’t, but I am going to be naive and stick to THEY ARE JUST FRIENDS!!! They could prove me wrong and I know a lot of you hope they do, but that is just how I see it. I have had A LOT of male friends that I have spent the night with, slept in the same bed with, hung out with day and night and it never went beyond friendship. They was definitely attraction and some chemistry, but we always remained friends. I think that they have just been through a lot together and lean on each other for support. Again, it’s just my opinion.
I DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS WITH EMILIE DE RAVIN!!! As a matter of fact, I told my BFF that as soon as New Moon was through filming and he started filming Remember Me, the tabloids would have him and Kristen breaking up and him hooking up with his new co-star. That seems to be what the tabloids are doing at the moment. I find it hard to believe that if Rob and Kristen are as obsessed with each other as these tabloids say and are constantly texting and phoning each other then why was Kristen so “shocked” to see pics of him kissing Emilie??? Wouldn’t Rob have told her about that scene they were getting ready to shoot? Why would she be so livid about it and I have yet to see her in NY! So, again, you have to take everything with a grain of salt, because until we hear it from them it isn’t true. We don’t know what goes on in their life.
Jenna -
In our opinion, people are just as quick TO believe as those on the other side are quick NOT TO believe. Both sides stand immoveable. Frankly, the gossip columnist’s interest in the whole situation has only muddied the waters further. To the actual knowable information, they add gossip, innuendo, unnamed sources and all sorts of completely unconfirmable information until it gets to the point that that some people have a hard time separating truth from outright lies.
As you noted, for instance, just a few comments down someone has posted a clearly photoshopped picture of Rob and Kristen “together” as “proof” of their relationship. This does not surprise us. In fact, we did an article on the photo, where we clearly show the original (totally separate) shots and how they were put together.
Yet, even with that “evidence” at hand, several people have commented on that article that they believe the Photoshopped image is real. They are, to be honest, blind to what is in front of their face. You see this type of behavior on both sides of the line.
The vehemance and number of responses on this article surprises us. We’re just updating a (very dated) article. Frankly, had we declared the rumor as “Believed” the non-shippers would be faulting our logic, and the Shippers would be saying it was an excellent article. Since we didn’t, the opposite is happening.
As for the Emilie de Ravin rumors? They humor us. I suppose at some point we’ll do an article on that as well. Those rumors, in our opinion, are pretty much being flamed through the desperate gossip tabloids. We aren’t seeing much in the way of serious discussion on the subject in the fan community.
Christina I understand you point of view, but I just wanted to comment on some of your points.
Kristen met MA when she was maybe 13 and we don’t know what that relationship was like. I don’t believe that Rob broke them up (if that is the case). I think the IF there has been feelings between R/K they are have happening for a long time. I suspect Rob made his feeling known, but did not make demands. Kristen obviously had to be torn after being involved with MA for so long, but her life was about to change and things just happen. Can’t help who you fall for (as I said earlier, Brad and Angelina)!
Why would you assume that Kristen would cheat or did anyone even say that? It is fairly obvious that K/M relationship is no longer and it happens to coincide with the R/K rumors. IF, R/K are together, I would believe that Kris broke it off with MA before she persued a relationship with Rob. We may never know, but the timing is clearly obvious. It is also interesting that not only is MA absent from Kristen’s life, but so is Nikki Reed, the BFF. If we are to believe those set of rumors, a lot went down that we don’t know about.
I would just ask that you keep an open mind and not disregard the overwhelming evidence that R/K could be together. Does not really matter one way or another, the only thing that is important is that they are happy. Time will tell!
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Okay nice breakdown but there are a couple inconsistencies to point out and stuff you guys have missed.
1. The old man in the vid is not kstew’s grandpa but the owner of the Charlie Hotel. http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/88026930/Getty-Images-Entertainment
2. They did know that the camera’s were there. Maybe not initially but they eventually did. That is why they opened the SUV door and had people around as shields. i.e. unknown brown haired girl. Kristen was ducking in the mini cooper. You can see her head bob up and down towards the passenger side window while talking to Rob.
3. The person in the mini cooper was indeed Kristen. At the very end you can hear the owner or the Charlie laugh and point at the mini cooper and say “It’s Kristen”.
Great detective work here folks! I appreciate your efforts to vet the evidence we have in front of us. The only thing that is clear is that nothing is clear at all. We simply have a bunch of circumstantial and unfounded “evidence” which leads to an inconclusive position. Are they together? Quite possibly, who knows? Nothing out there proves it absolutely. I particularly like your mention of the fact that IF they are together, they are clearly trying to keep it to themselves so crazy shippers and twitter stalkers are doing more harm than good with their antics. Their antics are something I really don’t understand I don’t understand the concept of shipping, firstly. But secondly, why don’t the fanatical shippers realize that their actions put pressure on Rob and Kristen and could ultimately destroy any relationship they have (be in friendly or romantic)? Do EITHER of them seem like the type to want people contantly prying into their personal lives? The more the fanatical shippers care about this stuff, the more the tabloids and papps are going to go after them. Fanatical shippers need to get a clue already.
Thank you for the photo. As we stated, we didn’t believe it was Kristen’s grandfather. We shall update with your link. It does appear to be the same man.
We find it impossible to say that “eventually they did” know they were being filmed. The film begins with the car door being opened and Rob putting something inside. There is no footage prior to that to indicate that they did so in response to realizing they were being filmed. The people wandering around did not shield the pair, as we can clearly see them throughout the footage. It is a possibility, but it is not confirmable based on the tape shown.
We agree Kristen was in the Mini Cooper, as we state. The footage of her getting into the car, however, was either left off the paparazzi’s tapes or edited out for some (unknown) reason.
Adminstartors, I thank you for your thoughtful comments.
I completely agree that there are those who are so over the line one way or the other that it is difficult to believe one point more than another.
I don’t normally allow myself to be swayed by rumor or inuendo and I always make sure to follow the facts (as best as I know them to be) and try to use logic in making a final decision. I believe the tabloids are way out of control with the stories they put out on celeberites and the only “Entertainemnt Mags” I would find credible is a People and/or Entertainment Weekly. OK, L&S, US, etc. are just into selling copies with the most outrageous nonsense. I will say this, NE, Star and even the ones I mentioned above do get some information correct, but they do create more than actually exists. I respect People because, when OK and L&S ran pictures of Rob and Emilie filming on the beach with headlines reading, “Is he cheating”, Or “New Real Life Love”, People had a picture of Rob on the beach with a caption that he was filming on that beach in Queens. In short, I don’t pay attention to the magazines, just too much garbage they are reporting.
Regarding the picture, clearly photoshopped(a good one) but fake.
I believe the pic of Rob on plane is not. My husband a pro at photoshop looked at the pic thoroughly and said it could not be a fake. We don’t know what happen that weekend, but just putting it out there about the validity of that photo (which is real).
I tend to lean on the side that R/K are together and that they just want it private for a number of reasons. They have obviously gone out of their way to not go public, but the lack of denials is most telling. I also think it is curious that when in Italy, Rob was done two days before Kristen, but waited for her to finish filming to clearly travel home with her. Aside from twiiters (which we know are suspect) and some other nonsense, some of the evidence is just too obvious to deny. I also find it intersting that at the MTV awards, Kristen’s body language was most telling. She took a picture with Taylor, she had her arms wrapped around his waist. When she took pictures with Rob, she did not touch him and was consientiously not getting too close. Now we have seen a million pictures where his arm is around her and visa versa, but here she is clearly not getting too close, why? I think they were trying to calm the rumors. Just some of my observations.
Lastly, it is none of my business if they are together, lol. IF they are we will find out eventually and IF they are not we will find out too. I guess it is fun to speculate and although some take it to extremes, hopefully we can all agree to disagree and respect everyones opinions.
Thanks again!
BC, I was going to mention the same thing. Male with white hair is the owner of Charlie (I believe he is Danish).
At the end of the video he clearly does say “Bye Kristen”, which was proof that it was her in the car.
Again, I don’t care whether they are or aren’t together. But in my opinion I don’t see any concrete evidence that they are. I think…and it is just my thoughts…that people have taken stuff that they have said out of context. Rob has said things in interviews joking around that have come back and bit him in the ass. He has joked about marriage proposals, his lack of hygiene, and so on and so forth. In my opinion I think that he was joking around when he said he had a crush on Kristen and people took that and ran with it and made it into the big deal that it is now, just like they did with him smelling and not washing his hair. I am sure there is attraction there for both of them. I mean Kristen is a beautiful girl and well it goes without saying that Rob is unbelievable sexy. So I am sure the attraction is there and there is chemistry, but other than that there is no solid proof they are together.
I don’t know what happened with the whole Nikki/Rob/Kristen thing. I know that she wasn’t seen out with Kristen a lot between Twilight and New Moon filming, but they were still hanging out. She was seen with Rob a lot though. But now that filming is over, Rob is working on something else. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t all still friends. I think maybe Rob and Nikki did have something going on and it went bad or maybe she had feelings for him that he didn’t return. Again, I don’t know. And yes, there has been a lack of Kristen/Michael sitings but that doesn’t mean that they have broken up. I never saw a lot of Kristen/Michael sitings before except when they were on set filming or at premieres and stuff. They could just be laying low…again, who knows. I don’t know that they have or haven’t broken up, but I can’t see Kristen jumping from an intense and loving 4 year relationship into another one and Rob being okay with that. I can’t see him being okay with him being the “rebound” guy. That was my point. I am just saying that we don’t have all of the facts. There is not enough solid information to say they are together. The tabloids and rumors make it look as though they are but again, where is their proof??? They are putting headlines such as “YES WE ARE TOGETHER” on their magazines, but if you read the articles there is absolutely NOTHING from either of them stating anything about their relationship. There is only “unnamed source” or “a source close to Kristen or Rob”. Apparently whoever this source is knows it all, because they can read their text messages, hear their phone conversations, and know what they are doing before they do. So these “sources” are not credible. I am a paralegal and it is my job to look at facts and piece them together and find the truth hidden in the lies and so far I don’t see much truth. That doesn’t mean that I know everything. I hope that he is happy. If he is with her I hope that he is blissfully happy and that he doesn’t get his heart broken. I am not a huge fan of Kristen’s but that has nothing to do with Rob. I have never liked her, but I don’t know her personally, so if he is with her then she must be a remarkable person and I hope they have a very long and happy relationship. But again, I don’t see any evidence that they are together. It is mostly hearsay and we all know how information gets distorted. My motto is, until I hear it from them, it’s not true. I guess we all will just have to wait and see because it will come out eventually. I hope this doesn’t come across and rude or like I am attacking anything anyone says because that is not my intention. I am just giving my 2 cents and I guess we will all just have to agree to disagree. Though a lot of you make very valid points for them being together, I just have a hard time believing it.
Administrators, I have heard it specualted that whomever was outside the car approached the papps at some point causing them to stop filming. There was some conversation (not sure what was said), I think if gave Kristen and /or her mom time to get in there cars and once the person walked away, the papps resumed their filming.
One last thing, they were obviously tipped off that R/K were staying there and waited all night. There was also proof (pics) of Kristen’s car at the hotel the night before too.
Christina, we may someday find out the truth and than again we may never really know. I agree with you and hope they are happy one way or the other. We appreciate them and what they bring to the films and I want them to succeed.
We cannot comment on speculation as to whether someone approached the paparazzi. We see no such evidence on the tape, as I’m sure you’ll agree. They may have further footage and just edited it out, or they may have stopped their cameras (this we sincerely doubt).
There are, to our knowledge, pictures of Kristen’s car parked in the area reputably from Sunday during the day. Again, this is not a surprise, as wardrobe, hair and makeup people were also seen going in and out of The Charlie Hotel on Sunday prior to the awards show. We did not include the photograph of Kristen’s car parked nearby in our story because it is impossible to date it. It could be from Saturday, Sunday or Monday, etc.
As for the fact that the paparazzi “waited all night”, I would caution you to not make assumptions. Although it is indeed a possibility that they did so, there is no evidence that is what happened. They could have arrived at 2am, 7am, or ten minutes before this footage begins. There is no way to ascertain those facts.
It would be nice to see R/K together. They did have great chemistry in Twilight & I cant wait for New Moon. I love the books. I am a little old fashioned & all the pics I have seen of them make me think they have some sparks flying between them. I just observe the way they look @ each other & it seems apparent that they could be falling in love. It is very sweet & they seem to adore each other. Of course, I dont know them personally so @ the end of the day I can only speculate…..but the way she looks @ him……I dont know. What does everyone think????
They’re a couple and have been at least since filming of NM in Vancouver.
Every time Kristen was out socially in Vancouver, she was with Rob. Not alone with him, but in groups with him. During this time she was still “with” her bf, Michael Angarano, but engaged in none of the fun social activities with Michael, such as concerts, her birthday party, cast parties, dinners out, ect…. All of those included Rob and a couple of times she was alone with him leaving and arriving at several venues, such as the Glowbal Restaurant. This kind of thing had not happened before, and as time wore on, they were alone riding back and forth to various functions more and more.
Michael Angarano put in two appearances during vancouver filming, and was photographed by Lainey’s paps on the streets with her, but no real social activities. He was last photographed with Kristen walking happily through the streets of Vancouver on April 25 (Conveniently, Rob was out of town that weekend - in LA).
Lainey posted the photos on Monday, April 27 http://www.laineygossip.com/Kristen_Stewart_and_Michael_Arangano_spend _time_together_in_Vancouver_despite_objections_from_Summit.aspx?CatID= 1093&CelID=0
That Friday, May 1 Lainey mentioned that Michael was still in vancouver as of Thursday night, April 30.
By May 2 though he was gone, because Kristen went to the Sam bradley concert with Rob that night and those suggestive photos were published showing them watching from backstage and looking quite close to each other in many. That was the night that Alicia Belle (mentioned in the article above) twittered that they were making out backstage. As the article says, no photo proof.
But we now know that sometime after that concert, Kristen moved from her hotel (Sutton Place) into Rob’s hotel (Sheraton Wall Centre), because she was moved in by the time the cast party held on Friday night, May 8. They went to that together and left together in a limo, leaving the rest of the cast to take cabs. Those photos were everywhere online and showed them in the limo, sitting across from each other, knees touching. http://www.celebuzz.com/twilight-new-moon-cast-party-g105381/?id=105381&cp=3
When he dropped them off at the Wall Centre (Rob’s hotel), the driver took photos which surfaced on line and they showed Rob and Kristen in front of Rob’s hotel (at 3:30 am)http://robertpattinsonunlimited.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=387&pos=24 There are other two other photos in this gallery, including many in the limo and outside the restaurant, but this one shows the distinctive driveway brickwork identifiying this as the Sheraton Wall Centre.
This was confirmed on Rob’s IMDb board by y2john a local autograph hound who regularly posts there. His website is http://canadagraphs.weebly.com/
Here’s what he posted on the board (direct copy from his post):
“Details on how they arrived at the cast party:
Kristen arrives……in the hotel car…from ROBS hotel.
We thought Taylor was going to get out, since he is at that hotel, instead SHE got out. She arrived with her brother & a friend. Brother & friend were seen leaving there hotel about 1 hr before they finally arrived at the party. Apparently, to stop off at the Wall to pick up Kristen.
She worked that day & never went back to her hotel at all, multiple fans & paps were out there to follow her, no one saw her come in & its impossible to sneak into that place like it is the Wall. She apparently went straight to his hotel. She was never seen at her hotel all day, and left his hotel for the party.”[/quote]
She didn’t return to “her” hotel after shooting, because it wasn’t her hotel any more (but no one knew that until later the next week when Lainey reported it (and trust me, she wouldn’t report anything like that unless it actually happened, because she’s convinced (at least publically) that they’re not a couple and the twilight fans are imaging this because they have trouble distinguishing the fantasy of Edward and Bella from the reality of Rob and Kristen. And she loathes the “twi-hards”.
She said that Kristen moved into that hotel because the “twi-hards” were bothering her at Sutton Place (only one way in and out, so it’s easy for fans to see everyone arriving and departing), while the Sheraton Wall has multiple entrances and exits and and underground parkette so you can get in your car with out being seen leaving.
If that was the reason, she waited about 6 weeks to make the move, and after Rob left, was photographed by Lainey’s paps leaving for a hair appointment from what was obviously the Sheraton Wall Centre. She went out the main entrance - (the front entrance brickwork is easily identifiable). She knew the paps were there, she was looking right at them and they got a series of photos of her walking right at them all the way to the hairdressers.
If she wanted to avoid the fans and paps and hide where she was stayng , she did a very poor job of it!!!
But, lets go back to the limo driver’s photos of Rob and Kristen after he dropped them off at Rob’s hotel. Here’s what y2john wrote on Rob’s IMDb board in response to people insisting that the photos were taken in front of the Sutton Place hotel, and Rob was dropping Kristen off for the evening (he had previously identified the hotel in the photo as the Sheraton Wall Centre):
“Photo was taken at 3:30 AM, AFTER he dropped off BOTH of them There.
How do I know? I have since seen the limo driver again (he sorta stands out incase you didnt notice) & he is to say the least, happy to talk about the night….thus how these photos ended up out there. He voluntarily gave them to the agencies to post. I was there when that happened. He gave additional details…like, they BOTH got dropped off there. If KS was going back to her place, she could have just asked him to drive her the extra two blocks. Afterall, it was his job.”[/quote]
As we know now, at this time, Kristen had moved into Rob’s hotel.
Sooooo, what we have is Michael in vancouver from April 25 until at at least April 30 - probably leaving on May 1, and then Kristen moving into Rob’s hotel sometime between May 2 and May 7. I’ll bet it was closer to May 2.
Quick work, girl.
Also, at this cast party, Rob and Kristen were outside sitting on the ground having a smoke in view of many set stalkers, and some paps. Two of the set stalkers, vancity allie and malicious mandy (look up their websites) both refused to speculate on the nature of R & K’s relationship, and in fact, thought that they were just close friends and they both reported that in all their stalking had not seen them behave in a way that would suggest they were a couple (both had been to various concerts and restaurants to see the stars, along with the set visits).
After this night, they BOTH admitted that R&K might well be a couple. They were sitting VERY close together and spent a lot of time together. It was “different” than before.
Then, of course, there was Rob’s birthday party where R & K left the venue in a limo with Rob’s parents. Lots of photos of that too.
They’re a couple and have been AT LEAST since vancouver.
BTW, the old man in the photos at the Charlie Hotel is the hotel owner. Kristen’s mom is AWFULLY familiar with Rob (fixing his hair, etc. I think he’s dating her daughter. LOL
Admins, I understand and I was just mentioning what I heard.
Regarding the car and hair and makeup people, why would Kristen go there to get ready? I know you can’t answer, but she lives in LA so this is also suspect.
I did not make assumptions about the paparazzi, I just stated that they were tipped off as to Rob and/or Kristen’s location, so the timing does not really matter does it? Just an observation.
I am not here to dispute your theories in any way or make up something that it not there. I was only adding some of my thought and I apologize if I may have offended you in any way.
As I said earlier, we don’t really know what is true and it will either come out or not, but we can respectfully agree to disagree.
Thanks again!
It is indeed the fact that we believe that Kristen had moved to “Rob’s hotel” (actually several cast members stayed there at various times during production) that negates any importance to the fact that Rob and Kristen were picked up there together or dropped off their together at the times you indicate. Indeed, it makes perfect sense that two people staying in the same hotel would arrive and depart together, sharing a ride. It seems you agree that she had already moved into the hotel, but do no agree as to the reason.
Now, as to any evidence as to whether the two were sharing a room at that hotel, we believe there is none.
And we’re sorry, but we are not going to make decisions on whether the two are a couple based on “looks” or their feet touching in a cab. That is, unfortunately, something that people put down as intuition or “it looks like” or whatever, but it’s not evidence.
What would be considered evidence? Would it be official if they actually said they were but yet they didnt act like it? Or would they be confirmed as a couple because they were caught kissing? What if that was just for the pappz? Celebs do play tricks on the pappz just to have a good time, right? I believe the proof is in the pudding. @ times ppl end up together & they didnt even see it coming….they just vibe & the next thing they know, they are in LOVE! The way they look @ each other & interact is plenty proof. They are attracted to each other. I think they didnt see this coming & they ended up being pulled in different directions. Obviously their lives are demanding and they entertain a public that is even more demanding than human nature.
On my previous post, the sentence which reads “If that was the reason, she waited about 6 weeks to make the move, and after Rob left, was photographed by Lainey’s paps leaving for a hair appointment from what was obviously the Sheraton Wall Centre.” When I say after Rob left, I mean after he left Vancouver to go to Cannes.
She was still in Vancouver for over a week after that, and it is odd that she’d sashay out the front door of the hotel in full view of the paps (they were likely tipped off, I think) and allow herself to be photographed coming out of what was obviously the Wall Centre.
If she was so concerned about her privacy and avoiding the “twi-hards” and paps, why do this? Further, at this point in time, Rob was no longer in Vancouver, so there would be even more intense fan and pap interest in her.
According to y2john (the name he posts under on IMDb), it took them several weeks to figure out how Rob was getting in and out of that place so secretly. He said you’d have to have people on at least 4 exits and then there’s the underground parkette. If Kristen didn’t want anyone to see her leaving that place (and for them to know that she was moved in there, because not everyone reads laineygossip (LOL), she could do it. Why stroll out the main entrance in broad daylight?
First of all. What does shipper mean? Is it a new word for fanatics? Please enlighten my ignorant soul.
Anyways, all this discussion is driving me mad. But, I’m putting my 2 cents on this. I believe that they are on but it’s very new. Rob may be joking about a lot of things but he wears his heart on his sleeve. It’s obvious to everybody in the set and his fans. This is why we are intrugue with Robsten. Rob admits to not falling in love that easily and he obviously did with Kristen when they made the movie. At that time, Kristen is fighting her feelings for him bc of MA but for obvious reasons eventually, she did. The disappearance of both Nicky and MA in both their lives are proofs that they have hooked up. I agree with a comment that both are over protective of this relationship bc they’ve hurt other people and they don’t want to look like Brad and Angelina! You guys should check Rob’s interviews in You Tube. Rob is so head over hills with Kristen. He may be joking with some of his self-deprecating comments but he thinks seriously everytime they question him about Kristen and his answers have always been consistent. His face lights up and seemed very interested on what Kris has to say about him bc he is waiting for Kris’ decision at that time as he knows that she feels the same way. To make a long story short, where there’s smoke, there’s always a fire. If you look at both Kristen and Rob’s facial expressions in their recent pictures, they look like they are in love. Rob had never looked hotter and Kris had never looked prettier simply because they are both in love and not telling us about it. I’m sure there will be some money shots and then after that there would be more. So be patient, my dears, let’s just enjoy the suspense and speculations!
I don’t mind Kristen but are we seriously saying this young girl can be daft enough to get caught smoking ’something’ out of a pipe outside her house - but that she is savvy enough (or cares enough) to play all these games with the paps and keep everybody guessing?
Robert is another example. He certainly appears to verbalise whatever goes through his head. Are you suggesting that this nervous and honest young man wouldn’t have slipped up in all this time? Are we really saying that these two young people who drink together regularly wouldn’t be caught by anybody - ever? And that in this world of mobile phones etc, nobody who claims to see something incriminating ever has a camera?
All these long convoluted stories with fans saying things like - its obvious she spent the night etc or changed hotels and stayed in his room - those start as speculation and get repeated as fact. By the time the millionth person repeats it, it has grown into something else.
I mean if you want attention in this day and age, what better way to get it than to claim to see something? And then conveniently not have any proof except your ‘word’. Please. Gossip columnists live off of this sort of thing. All they have to say is a source told them, and they have covered themselves.
The paps, who do this for a living, have not managed to get a single pic of them looking like anything remotely more than friends.
And I say again, if they are dating (which I don’t think they are) then this level of analysis about and intrusion into their personal lives is the very reason they won’t admit it.
Administrators,
Wow, I have been waiting weeks for you guys to comment about this!!! lol. Thanks to you for really trying to weed through all the rumors, gossip and fictional crap out there.
So, here are my thoughts:
If Kristin and Rob are together I think they are trying to keep it private. With all the craziness surrounding Rob, I know I would. Yes, Kristin was very public with her relationship with Michael, but that was before the Twilight craziness. From the interviews I have seen of them both, they want and need a private life.
The smoking gun is the morning after the MTV show. I found the affection that Mrs. Stewart had for Rob endearing. Course that might have been because she really got to know him when she had to be with Kristin before she turned 18 when filming Twilight. But still - how sweet! Back to that morning. I really think Kristin was purposely hiding behind the door of the SUV. Did they know they were being filmed, maybe, maybe not, but she looked as if she did not want to be out in the open. Yes Rob did hug Mrs. Stewart and only waved and talked to Kristin. But that kind of goes with what they might be doing - no public display of any kind.
More thoughts: It looked very obvious that Rob and Kristin were trying not to touch in anyway during picture taking at the MTV show. Kristin put her arm around Taylor, but the body language she had when taking pictures with Rob was interesting. Leaning into each other but no arms around each other as we have seen in the past. Just an intersting thing I noticed.
I think it is pretty obvious like you said that Kristin and Michael are no longer together in a relationship. But something else that speaks volumns is where has Nikki Reed been in all of this. She really seems to like publicity - well where has she been? She did not even show for the MTV awards and I don’t think she is really all that busy. Not that any of this proves anything again, just an interesting observation.
Oh, sorry, I keep adding things: there is a picture of Rob standing outside the door of an airplane that reportedly just went to LAX or returning from LAX. I found that on the Robstenlovers website listed under Sunday, June 28 - had to really search for it. Just curious about this if it is true or not.
Look, I am an older fan of Twilight and just adore Rob and Kristin. A hopeless romantic, it would be nice, seeing how their relationship during the shooting of both movies has developed, to think that they could have a wonderful relationship together in their private lives as well would feed my romantic spirit - true love lives on. But, it truly is none of anyone’s business and I hate to see all the trashy tabloids and tv shows make such a show of their private lives. They are shameful and disgusting!
I do appreciate what your website trys to do: seek the truth to protect these people from all the lies that are told about them. Thanks for your great effort!
kris
I appreciate the ‘work’ that is done on this site, but I have to point out some problems and holes in the research.
Re: Alica’s twitter. You incorrectly stated several things about her and her tweets from Sam’s concert. #1. She never said Rob (or anyone else) asked her not to take his photo. She only said she tried twice to take a photo but failed. She never said why. #2. While it’s true that she posted a link to her webpage and blog that night, you failed to mention that she OFTEN did this. This was not unusual behavior on that night only. If you look back through her tweets from weeks previous to the concert, she would post links every two to three days. #3. She DID NOT run to People magazine with the story. She tweeted that People magazine contacted her twice. And they did so well over a month after the concert. If she was looking for attention or wanted to ’sell’ her story, she would have done so much sooner. As it is, she never even used Rob’s name on her blog to get hits or publicity.
Re: The Charlie Hotel: I disagree with the assessment that Rob and Kristen did not know the photogs were there. You can clearly see Kristen look directly at the cameras, she freezes, quickly steps behind Rob, and then tries to stay hidden behind the car door. The man (who is the hotel manager) also looks directly at the camera immediately after Kristen spots the photog which indicates Kristen said something about it. I think Rob and her mother stayed cool and tried not to react. Also, while it is normal for some celebrities to stay at hotels before award shows, it is not normal for them to be put in private, romantic bungalows. Also, The Charlie is not in very close proximity to the venue where the MTV awards were being held.
I’m also curious as to why you left out a lot of other information, like Kristen going back to Rob’s hotel at 3:30 AM after the cast party; like them being photographed sitting hip to hip on the patio that night; Kristen leaving with Rob and his parents after his birthday; Kristen staying at Rob’s hotel even after he left for Cannes.
I realize that none of this is a ’smoking gun’, but it certainly adds credence to the rumors.
Oh for goodness sakes, looks and their feet touching are not the evidence. I put those references in there so people would remember what photos I was talking about.
I figured you’d latch on to those things though. It’s what most do when they want to cast doubt on all the other real evidence. Obviously, if I had just mentioned the photos in the limo and how they looked at each other at the bradley concert, you’d be correct. Sigh… We’re looking at a body of evidence here. I would never base things on looks, and feet touching. Nice try though. I don’t mean to be short with you, but I get soooo tired of this line of attack. It’s depressingly common on Rob’s board.
In fact, if it make you feel better, you’re free to assume that those photos don’t exist.
Anyway, back to the hotel situation. Yes, other cast members stayed at the Sheraton Wall, (Taylor L., for example) but NO female cast members did. Given their fan base throughout filming of both twilight and NM, they’ve been very careful the put the girls in a different hotel than the boys. The fact that other cast members have stayed at the Wall Centre, negates NOTHING about the significance of Kristen moving in there 2/3 of the way through filming and shortly after the last time she was photographed with Michael Anagarano.
The “security” reason is weak at best. For the reasons I listed. Kristen waited until filming was almost complete for the move chose to move into the hotel where the most hunted man in hollywood was staying. While he was staying there.
Then after he left, she basically let everyone know that’s where she was staying.
If she wanted to change hotels, why not move into the one where her brother was staying?
And if she was so freaked by the fan and pap attention, why behave with Rob the way she’d been for the previous month. why get into that limo alone with him? Why allow the limo driver take those photos of them at 3:30 in the morning in front of rob’s hotel?
when they started filming, she was staying at Sutton Place, where all the girls were staying (Ashley and Rachelle were there, so was Dakota Fanning). She’s the only one who left to move elsewhere.
We have a LOT of “fishy” things happening between them, and for a couple of people who are supposedly trying not to seem like a couple, they’re not trying all that hard. Again, I’m not talking about just one “fishy” situation, but many.
Let’s put it this way, if Kristen or Rob were your significant other, and this was their behaviour during filming in vancouver, and after the MTV awards in LA, you’d be pretty d*mn suspicious. I know I would be.
If I were the significant other and had hired a private detective to gather evidence of an affair between the two and all this is what he came up with, I’d be having a “tell me the truth” talk with that “other” (Rob or Kristen).
The way I read things is that as time wore on in vancouver, they were being less and less careful. No major PDA seemed to be the standard, but that’s it.
With that as the standard, you’re not going to get PDA, and you can’t get into their hotel to see them walk into a room together unless you can get a staff member to get a photo or something (not likely), but there’s plenty of gooood circumstantial evidence available to suggest that they are more than friends.
And before you come down on circumstantial evidence, we use it all the time - consider this. It’s July. You go to bed at night,and the stars are shining and there are almost no clouds. You wake in the morning and the sun is shining and there are almost no clouds, yet everything is wet.
What would you assume? That it rained during the night? Yup. Did you see it rain? No. Did you hear it rain? No. You didn’t wake during the night. Would you be totally confused about how everything got wet and run around asking people if they knew for sure if it rained? Likely not. YOu’d just assume it rained and you’d be right. (Note; it’s july in the northern hemisphere, so it didn’t snow and melt).
Now you could go around and ask people if it rainded that night and you’d probably eventually find someone who was up and would confirm, but, particularly if the rain occured at like 3 am on a weekday, it might take you some time to find a person to confirm.
Lets just put it this way. Most people wouldn’t bother to ask, they’d just go with the circumstantial evidence.
The simplest explanation for Rob and Kristen’s behaviour is that they’re a couple, but they don’t want to come out and completely confirm it. They’re being a little sloppy though. I get the impression that if it was up to them, they’d be out as a couple, but it’s not completely up to them. They’re not all that enthusiastic about the act they have to put on though. They sure weren’t in vancouver or LA.
THey HAVE managed to not have PDA evidence.
You’re having to go through too tortured an explanation for the hotel evidence. Particularly the Charlie Hotel, their presence together in the parking lot (complete with Kristen obviously trying to hide) and Kstew’s mom’s behaviour. C’mon. You sound like some of the ladies on Rob’s IMDb board. One said that short of seeing photos of them scr*wing each other, she wouldn’t believe they were a couple because Kristen already has a bf. Really. She said that.
Speaking of Kstew’s mom’s behaviour. That’s awfully intimate behaviour to engage in with someone who’s just a friend of your dauther’s. In the ape and monkey world, it’s called grooming behaviour and one of the main reason’s for this behaviour, besides the grooming aspect, is to enforce kinship ties. I don’t mean R & K are getting married or anything, but I think it suggests that Kristen is very, very close to Rob and that’s reflected in her mother’s actions.
They came out of the Charlie Hotel together. They spent the night at the same hotel together after the MTV awards. There are PLENTY of nice hotels in LA. They did’t have to be at the same one.
Why would two people, both of whom are notoriously shy about their sudden fame, and concerned about their security situation, stay at the same hotel? Why stoke the flames? It’s already nutty enough out there with the fans and paps.
As you pointed out there’s a “disagreement” between what I think the reason was behind Kristen’s move out of her hotel in vancouver, and what Lainey said it was. Lainey said the “twi-hards” and paps were giving Kristen the willies, so she moved into a more secure hotel (that just happened to be Rob’s *giggle*).
Kristen (willies and all) then goes to the MTV awards less than a month later and spends the night at the same hotel as Rob and then is filmed leaving it and saying goodbye to him. In LA, where there are more extrordinarily agressive paps per sqare inch than anywhere else on earth Why??? Why take the chance she’d be seen leaving with him? What made it worth the chance that they’d be seen together and photographed? Well, I can tell you what I think made it worth the chance. And I have the most likely explanation.
Honestly, if they were just friends, with their aversion (especially Kristen) to pap and fan attention, they’d be trying to dampen the conjecture in the tabloids, online gossip sites and fan blogs, and just stay in separate hotels.
Just for grins, here are some more examples of trips down that river in Egypt taken by the fangirls on Rob’s IMDb site after y2john confirmed that Rob and Kristen were dropped of at his hotel at 3:30 am that night:
They had receive their Eclipse scripts at this party (true), and so they went to the hotel to practice their lines.
They were sharing a hotel because Summit wanted to save money.
hoooo kay. The reason we got such lame theories is that deep down, these ladies were thinking exactly what I was thinking, and having such a vested interest in keeping Rob “single” they were quite hard put to come up with something on the fly.
Yeah, I know we don’t know EXACTLY what went on at those hotels, but the simplest and most likely explanation for their behaviour is that they’re a couple.
Comment on the comments: If Rob and Kristin are in a relationship, there should be pictures since everywhere Rob goes, he is photographed. Oh really? I see plenty of pictures of Rob filming Remember Me, but I never see pictures of him going out or doing anything else. Seems he can fly under the papp”s radar after all. If he wants his life kept private it seems he is doing a good job at that.
And what about dear ole Auntie in London. From what I have read, she gave out young pictures of Rob when his parents and sisters have not nor do we ever see them talking about Rob. Why should we believe anything nutty ole Auntie says!
Interesting posts.
Thanks again for a great website. You are doing a great service to getting the truth out there.
Wow! That is a great post kitty! BUT your wronge! Well more like Lainey is wronge! Lainey said Michael stayed for a week but he didn’t. All the fans on set said he wasn’t there! And there are other reports of MA leaving right after those pics were taken! People that saw him at the airport arriving in VC said he didn’t even have any bags with him! So I believe R/K have been dating a lot longer!
I’ve always believed PA conducted thorough investigations but this one has me doubting you a bit.
1. The white haired man at The Charlie Hotel is the owner Menachem Treivush. Very easy to verify. The owner’s name is on The Charlie website. Google his name and there are several posts about him including this one with a pic:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/88026930/Getty-Images-Entertainment
2. Studios often have clauses in a star’s contract dictating many things including not dating. Very easy to verify just ask someone in the biz.
3. I find it very interesting you posted only one picture from the Sam Bradley concert in Vancouver. How about these that were taken by someone else?
http://www.atwilightkiss.com/the-kristen-stewart-diaries-watching-sam-bradley-with-robert-pattinson.html
4. Interesting you didn’t discuss the following:
While filming NM in VanCity the male cast was in one hotel and the female cast was in another hotel. The hotels were not close together. After the cast party in May, Rob and Kristen took a limo back to his hotel at 3 am and she did not go to the designated hotel for the female cast members. Here is the link to the pics of her and Rob and the limo driver.
http://www.robsessedpattinson.com/2009/05/rob-kristen-and-limo-driver.html
Well, I coldl go on but you get the idea. I believe in ROBSTEN and when they’re ready they’ll let fans know they’re together. Love you Rob and Kristen!
You ask: “If Rob and Kristen are together and wanted it to be known, they would do so, in our opinion. The fact that they haven’t gives us pause. Kristen had no problem whatsoever being public with her relationship with Michael.”
I can think of various reasons why Kristen and Rob might rather keep their relationship private/secret, IF they are together:
1) The nature of their personalities. Both are private, non-celebrity type of people who are grappling enough as it is with the consequences of their popularity (which they never sought).
2) The inherent need to keep intimate relationships private. They are hounded DAILY, ALL THE TIME, by paparazzi and fans. They are among the most popular actors today. Imagine what hell might break loose if they let it be known publicly that they are together? Their relationship (any relationship) cannot thrive in such publicity and scrutiny. It was different with Michael–neither he nor Kristen were in the kind of spotlight that she and Rob are currently in.
3) Rob’s fans. Seriously. Much of his popularity resides on the fact that he is desirable, sought-after. This could very well wane when it is established that he is in a relationship or is someone’s boyfriend. Add to the mix is the reality that not a lot of Rob’s fangirls like Kristen (whether as a person, actress, or for Rob). It is possible that Rob and Kristen are aware or have been made aware of this (by Summit, their managements, I don’t know); hence, the desire to be discreet about their relationship. Surely if they were together, Rob wouldn’t want Kristen to experience the full backlash of their relationship from his nastier fangirls? (Who, I’ve heard, have already written Summit informing them that they will no longer support Rob if he is indeed with Kristen).
4) More? The fact that Kris and Rob portray on-screen Bella and Edward. To have a public relationship–with all its ups and downs and (heaven forbid) a possible break-up–can ruin the chemistry and relationship on-screen. People have enough trouble distinguishing Rob from Edward…what of the Rob/Edward and Kristen/Bella relationship?
And here you are, some reasons why it makes infinite sense for Rob and Kristen to keep their relationship private.
On my previous post, the sentence which reads “If that was the reason, she waited about 6 weeks to make the move, and after Rob left, was photographed by Lainey’s paps leaving for a hair appointment from what was obviously the Sheraton Wall Centre.” When I say after Rob left, I mean after he left Vancouver to go to Cannes.
She was still in Vancouver for over a week after that, and it is odd that she’d sashay out the front door of the hotel in full view of the paps (they were likely tipped off, I think) and allow herself to be photographed coming out of what was obviously the Wall Centre.
If she was so concerned about her privacy and avoiding the “twi-hards” and paps, why do this? Further, at this point in time, Rob was no longer in Vancouver, so there would be even more intense fan and pap interest in her.
According to y2john (the name he posts under on IMDb), it took them several weeks to figure out how Rob was getting in and out of that place so secretly. He said you’d have to have people on at least 4 exits and then there’s the underground parkette. If Kristen didn’t want anyone to see her leaving that place (and for them to know that she was moved in there, because not everyone reads laineygossip (LOL), she could do it. Why stroll out the main entrance in broad daylight?
Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can’t wait to see your next post!
Raven -
As to your points.
1. We stated we were unsure of the identity of the white-haired man, but believed he was not Kristen’s grandfather as many had claimed. We have since edited our story and linked to a photo of the man in question. He does appear to be Menachem Treivush.
2. Studios in the 1940’s and 1950’s certainly did have clauses in the star’s contracts dictating “not dating” among many other personal restrictions. This is no longer common practice, as stars are no longer held to the “studio system”. The so-called “moral clauses” that were common in contracts are no longer used in Hollywood, according to our research. They are, however, still used for stars doing commercials and in some ongoing television work.
Since Rob and Kristen signed a contract for the first three films prior to Twilight, when the franchise was not expected to be very large, we doubt there is such language in their contracts, although we suppose it is a very remote possibility, hence the reason why we said we “doubt” this was the case.
3. We selected that particular photograph of the Sam Bradley concert, because it was the photograph that aliciabellelite took at the concert, as we were discussing. We are very aware of the others, but sorry–again, so-called “longing looks” are not evidence.
4. According to several sources (as several people have referenced in the comments here, if you go back a tiny bit), Kristen moved to the other hotel at the very beginning of May. Therefore, the fact that she was dropped off at their mutual hotel by the limo driver in question has no bearing.
kitty -
The many “fishy” items you list are why we are currently “unresolved” on this matter. We are “damn suspicious”, hence the reason why we are unresolved, not busted on this question.
As for the hotel, since you mention y2john, you should note that he also stated that Kristen moved to the hotel much earlier, and so therefore would have been staying at that hotel when dropped off by the limo driver. Kristen’s brother also, per y2john, was staying at that hotel. Whether this is true or not, however, we cannot confirm.
As for the various reasons why Kristen moved into the hotel? We can speculate all day long. She could have moved because the security was better and it is easier to get in and out of the hotel undetected (which is why they had Rob there), she could have moved because most of the females (except Ashley) were done filming, she could have moved because the rooms were nicer there, or she could have moved so that she and Rob could have hot monkey sex all night long. The fact is, however, that we do not know.
People who claim that the studio is “keeping them apart” are hard pressed to claim that, however, when they apparently allowed her to change hotels. They’re paying the bills, after all.
This is when we get into the difference between speculation and evidence. We can speculate all day long about what this look meant or that look, or the various reasons for a hotel change, or where Rob was this weekend, but they are not hard facts. We deal with hard facts here.
The fact that people cannot distinguish when they are speculating based on circumstantial evidence and when they are talking about hard facts is troubling.
And herein is where the problem lies.
The level of obsession. I do not understand why people are so passionate, on both sides, to prove they are or are not dating. I think the Robsten shippers are more passionate about proving it true- and I say this as a person who DOES thinks Rob and Kristen are dating. But when I say they are dating, it’s only because I think they are because of my gut instinct, not because of a fake photo, supposed fan accounts, etc. I have nothing to PROVE they are dating, because truly, there is no hard proof. It’s a hunch they are dating, and I think I’m probably right. But I won’t try to shove my theories down others throats. I get the impression by some this isn’t about Rob and Kristen anymore, this is about being RIGHT. Very sad.
I don’t understand. Why cannot people leave them alone, and why this “OMG, THEY ARE SO DATING CAN’T YOU SEE FROM THE EVIDENCE!” As I mentioned in an earlier post- people tweeting updates that they are supposedly together for the weekend? Why would you do that? If you were true fans of Robsten (or of any public figure), wouldn’t you respect their privacy? How is that showing Robsten any respect in ANY way? I somehow doubt Rob and Kristen would appreciate people defending their honor if they are/are not dating. I mean Robsten fans are quick to say “well, they are private people so they probably won’t come out”, yet there are countless websites, tweets, and posts made by the same people EXPLOITING Robsten and their (possible) relationship. So if you really cared about Robsten, wouldn’t you leave them alone? And think about it- forget who we are talking about here (R and K) if these were 2 other people, or heck, even you and sig other, don’t you think it would be creepy if people were obsessing over you being a couple?
I don’t understand how Robsten being real to any of us on here would matter in our daily lives. Like I said, I think now it’s down to “bragging rights” (for lack of a better phrase), to prove they were right, like it’s a game. It seems people have forgotten that these are 2 human beings we are discussing. A lot of people are at fault for that- the gossip columnists and the people who fail to see reality. When I say “people who fail to see reality”- I just don’t mean the people who are clearly confusing them for Edward and Bella, I mean the ones who forget Rob and Kristen are real people, and people who should be respected.
I thank you for your investigative work on this subject. I know none of us should CARE if they’re together or not, but we do…
Basically I’ve come to the same conclusion you have here - there is not yet enough evidence to either confirm or deny. It comes down to “if there ain’t photos or press statements, it ain’t happening”. However, there are a few things that, personally, I have found more telling than just what you have described above.
First, their non-kiss at the award ceremony itself. I know, I know, it was planned, yadda yadda…However looking at the footage I’ve always thought Rob looked genuinely surprised that she DIDN’T kiss him. Surprised and a tad disappointed. Yes, I know they’re actors, and good ones, but sometimes you can’t fake a real emotional response. Also, if they were just kissing for the awards, then its just hyping the movie anyhow. Why feel embarrassed to reprise a role you’re being honored for, even if it is just a kiss? I would say that if they DO feel something for each other, Kristen would be more likely to chicken out in the way she did so as not to accidentally reveal more of her feelings than she wants to. Additionally, when they were being interviewed about it after the show, their explanations were a bit muddled. Rob didn’t have any prepared response to what had happened, he just muttered about how his ideas were crap and how it had all been Kristen’s idea. You’d assume if they really had planned it, he’d be ready with a better response. Kristin equally could have been covering for her actions.
Secondly, Kristen’s response to a Pap filming her while pumping gas around a week after Rob left for NYC. She completely stonewalls him until he asks her about Rob. Then her eyes flit toward him in a nervous way. Then when she’s in the car she does smile in a sheepish way as if to suggest “Shit, they’re figuring it out.” Sure it could be coincidence, but equally it could be another unprepared, uncontrolled emotional response, even if it is a tiny one. This is very short footage however, and there is a cut between her being asked and the “sheepish smile” in the car and I fully admit anything could have happened in the meantime.
Thirdly, and this honestly didn’t occur to me until this morning - the whole “morning after” scene you’ve discussed. I agree that they do not appear to notice the Papz to begin with. However there is rather a long cut in footage between the inital footage behind the SUV door and when Rob says goodbye to Kris in her car. There are no pics of her going/getting into her car. So it seems plausable that the Papz were noticed at some point and asked to stop filming. They then resume when they think its “safe”. Equally, if R and K are trying to keep anything secret, it may even be being kept from her Mom. Kris is still young, she’s getting out of a relationship with MA, there’s the old adage “Don’t fall for your co-star” and Mom is in the movie biz so she knows about failed co-star romances…its a possibility they were being careful for present company just as much as any photographers that may have been watching.
As to whether or not they stayed *together*, the bungalow itself had 2 bedrooms. Its also a huge hotel and Kris could have been staying elsewhere and just met up with her Mom and Rob before he left for NYC. That part is plausable.
Personally, and this really is my own opinion formed over weeks of obsessing (really I should get a hobby), I think there is an excellent chance that Rob and Kristen have feelings for each other even if they are not actually *dating/together*. Their chemistry onscreen is electric and I would imagine that would be hard to just “switch off” when you’re spending so much time together off screen (albeit surrounded by cast members). It could very well be that they’re using this time apart to figure out whether there really is something to what they may or may not feel for one another. Surely they both know that if they were to get into a real relationship there is a danger to the rest of their filming should something go sour in their personal lives. They have to be Edward and Bella for at least another year at this stage and should they begin to feel animosity toward each other from a failed tryst, it very well could ruin the last two films and their careers.
Just to clarify the whole sunglasses bit. I’m going into the other details; I’ve already left my comments last night. But Rob is CLEARLY WEARING THE RAY BANS THE BEGINNING OF JULY IN NY….
He did not get them on his one day trip to LA and they are not Kristens. Look at the photos of his first day filming Remember Me.
Case Closed…LOL..I like these better than his old ones.
Regarding contracts and when they were drafted.
They most certainly could change given the success of the movie and the stars in the movie. Yes they signed on to do three, but there are clauses and there are changes all the time. Very common practice.
I could see Rob especially changing the terms, to include other projects he wants to do. Fairly certain, Remember Me was a result of him staying on with Summit. Rob loved the script and wanted to do it and they made it happen for things in return. The studio is not beyond its rights to suggest the actors keep their relationship on the DL, especailly when they have millions invested in this franchise and which could be jeopardized by said involement and or problems beyond.
I believe there are more reasons to believe in R/K as a couple than ther are reasons not to believe. I suspect that within a few months we may know one way or the other. I just hope people who are sekptical are honest enough to say they were wrong either way.
Kitty & Belle, I totally agree with you guys!! finally words that make sense! =)
Although I agree that your conclusion of “UNRESOLVED” is fitting because there is too much circumstancial evidence and no concrete proof. But when I read your analysis and responses I have a feeling that it is leaning towards not wanting them dating. I also agree with you that the paps seemed pretty surprised that Kristen was there from their reactions. They also had no idea who Jules Stewart was for that matter. The paps also said on camera in Spanish…”Kristen is there in the car”.
I also just wanted to point out that not every Shipper is “Crazy”. I will admit that I do want to see them as a couple but have been skeptical about their relationship until the x17 vid. Too many circumstantial evidence leans towards a relationship in my opinion. I am happy they have been able to keep this as private as they can. I will also admit that yes it is our public fascination with Celebrities that fuel the media storm and coverage on them.
I would also like to comment to the people who keep saying “leave them alone.. I do not understand the fascination” blah blah blah…You guys still go onto these websites… you guys still take the time to comment. You also add fuel to the fire, my suggestion is if you are not interested then simply do not click on the link or google about them. Simple as that. Don’t go an bash the people who just find this as pure entertainment and are curious about them because of their on and off screen charisma.
Just my two cents.
I think you all have way too much time on your hands, lol!
I really agree with what was said in this blog, the evidence posted and the conclusion..
It’s a matter of logic; I think the fans of them as a couple are too obsessed and I’m sick of their peregrination to try to make everything look like they are together, there are even photoshopped pics everywhere, trying to make them looked like together…
The only real evidence is what was posted here at this article, and to tell the truth is INCONCLUSIVE.. we are filling the gasps in the facts that are missing with speculation, every people here that posted a comment trying to debunked what was exposed in this article, is proof of that speculation and the level of desperation to show things that we shouldn’t be caring to begin with..
Are they together? I don´t know, sometimes it seems they are sometimes it doesn´t.
Should I find proof? NO! let them live!!.. if they are together they will talk about it eventually, if they are not, this is all that we will be getting!!
Thanks goodness apparently by the end of the year they will be done filming the saga, so they can move on with their lives and do what ever the hell they want, with out having fans, trying to get at people´s throat to prove things we do not know.
well it would not be far fetched if they are indeed dating, a lot of actors meet their partners that way.
examples:
Jennifer Gardner and Ben Affleck
Ben Affleck and Gwyneth Paltrow
Anna Paquin and that dude from TrueBlood
The slumdog Millionaire leads
Rachel McAdams and Ryan Goslin
Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens
Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaugh
Goldie Hawn and Tim Robbins
Courtney Cox and David Arquette
Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman
All of them met on-set…think about it
oh and a bunch of others too many to name
The analysis is interesting…I am not a believer in Robsten, but I still read all that people have to say to keep an open mind.
Rob knew the paps knew he was staying at the Charlie Hotel before the awards on Sunday. There was a tweet of someone complaining about lots of paps hanging out by his house, and then he identified on his Twitter that the reason was Rob Pattinson. He took a pic of the situation around the front entrance. If you take a google map walk down the street the Charlie Hotel is on, you can easily see a house across the street with a fence that exactly matches the pic the tweeter took from his balcony or patio. There is no doubt he was telling the truth, and he tweeted before the ceremony.
If Rob and Kristen are trying so hard to keep things private…they would have considered the fact that paps were there before the ceremony, and there would be a good chance that some paps would be watching the place for Rob. I believe that they would’ve said their goodbyes inside in private rather than on display. And if you look across the street from the main entrance (confirmed they were there by the x17 video), there is really nowhere for paps to hide. Kristen, Rob and the owner all look right at the cameras at one point.
I don’t know what happened at the Charlie Hotel, and I don’t know what’s going on with Kristen and Rob. I do know that I’ve watched Ted’s board and have seen many of the circumstantial rumors develop, spread and become embellished there. Personally, I think Rob and Kristen are keeping their mouths shut because even when they denied it, no one listened to them. They’re probably just riding it out. They don’t owe anyone an explanation, a press conference, a denial or confirmation. Their agents/reps don’t reveal their personal info.
What if they are just hooking up and having fun? What if it isn’t an epic love story? What if these are just two young people who are casually dating and having a good time like young people do? Then they can’t deny there is nothing going on, and how would they confirm it…”Hey everyone…we’re just hooking up right now.” Doubt they’d say that.
There seem to be so many that want a real love story here. My guess with all that I have read and reviewed is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. They’re young and busy and I’m sure, having fun. Maybe they’re just together with no strings attached at this point. Would that be so bad?
Oh, to address one previous comment…I think it is interesting that Kristen was running to the parking garage after the ceremony, and her ankle was hurt that night. That info came out the night of the ceremony. She was even wearing an ankle support at her photo shoot a few days later during her breaks. And there were lots of pics of her wearing it. What does it mean? Who knows…but at least one eonline columnist saw Kristen at the same time after the awards and said he never saw her running away from the crowds in any direction. Just please look at every Twitter, gossip board and comment section with a critical eye. We don’t know who is telling the truth and who is making stuff up to stir the pot.